tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post144295692589951515..comments2024-03-28T22:29:52.666+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Have aliens Occupied the C of E?Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-54101457137088140162011-11-05T11:06:10.737+13:002011-11-05T11:06:10.737+13:00I see that former Canon Giles Fraser has been co-o...I see that former Canon Giles Fraser has been co-opted into the St.Paul's team to challenge the culture of corporate greed in the City. This, at least, is a good development, and a sure sign that both the Bishop of London and the ABC have sussed out a way forward from the deadlock.<br />Deo gratias!Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-20676526146554701572011-11-02T01:14:51.122+13:002011-11-02T01:14:51.122+13:00Pehaps this situation gives greater credence to th...Pehaps this situation gives greater credence to this earlier article?<br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331530/Archbishop-Canterbury-abducted-aliens-says-bishop-battle-gay-clergy.htmlAndrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-91602127671769543482011-11-01T18:36:41.129+13:002011-11-01T18:36:41.129+13:00Well maybe I'm a bit slow... but surely this i...Well maybe I'm a bit slow... but surely this is a missed opportunity? If a group of people turned up at my tatty, run down earthquake shaken parish in eastern Christchurch I'd be thanking God for a great evangelism opportunity. Just think how great it would be if God gave all of us the opportunity to tell others about Jesus by bringing them to our place instead of us having to go out to them!! How easy would that be? Of course you would have to do it every day, put on open air bible studies maybe even run a Christianity Explored, or Alpha course. I wonder, though, if the good people of St Paul's were to do just that, and who know maybe they are, how many of the protesters would hang around long enough to have their lives changed?<br /><br />btw thanks for the link to the lostinthenorth blog, simon... refreshing reading!Rev. Andy Carleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11040665187493585259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-49303723850787059872011-11-01T17:55:48.773+13:002011-11-01T17:55:48.773+13:00That's a good link, Simon, thank you!That's a good link, Simon, thank you!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-88799670299079861602011-11-01T17:42:24.133+13:002011-11-01T17:42:24.133+13:00+Richard will survive - he is adept at that in con...+Richard will survive - he is adept at that in conflicts that threaten to drag him in. He wouldn't have thrived so long in the role of +Londin otherwise.<br />While it's his diocesan cathedral, the appointments are Crown appointments and he does not have ultimate say over the governance of the cathedral.<br />Equally, while regarding the situation from overseas, and seeing an internationally renowned cathedral dragged into the mire, one needs to appreciate that St Paul's does not come under the jurisdiction of ++Rowan at all, though he is a frequent visitor.<br />Meanwhile, as the UK's London-centric media continue to focus on the camp and its effects, thousand of parish clergy in the real world of the C of E, get on with what they've always been doing, as one of them, Dave Mock, has captured rather well:<br />http://lostinthenorth.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/that-thing-you-do/Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-34652674755111499442011-11-01T11:25:03.205+13:002011-11-01T11:25:03.205+13:00Whether one agrees with Dr. Fraser’s theology and ...Whether one agrees with Dr. Fraser’s theology and politics or not (and I understand that many who frequent this site do not agree with him), the man has integrity. I believe that he is exactly the type of cleric the Church needs today.<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Brooklyn, NYKurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-17302324431232248622011-11-01T10:10:54.347+13:002011-11-01T10:10:54.347+13:00With respect Fr Ron I do not think it is the churc...With respect Fr Ron I do not think it is the churches mission to tackle <i>"greed in the city"</i> - rather it is to win souls for the Lord, one at a time, and it would only be great success in this endeavor that might bring about the desired change of outlook "<i>in the city</i>.<br /><br />However this contretemps reflects badly on all - after all St Paul's Cathedral in London seems to be run more as a tourist attraction, a sort of renaissance era Disney World, rather than a house dedicated to the Lord.<br /><br />Cynical old me can't help but think it is the loss of all those £14.50 admission fees that lead to the eviction of the protesters.<br /><br />It's very a sad thing - life in a fallen worldAndy Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-56959862232065293422011-11-01T09:22:59.933+13:002011-11-01T09:22:59.933+13:00I do not agree, Ron, that the Man Who Tackled Muga...I do not agree, Ron, that the Man Who Tackled Mugabe is unable to tackle the Dean and Chapter via some well-thought out words of guidance as to how to handle the situation for the good of the C of E, indeed of Christianity in general.<br /><br />It does seem extraordinary that in this situation ++Rowan is using the legal aspect of the Dean and Chapter's powers to say virtually nothing when the situation cries out for the intelligent leadership which ++Rowan is able to give. This is the man, after all, accused of meddling in the affairs of TEC, whose legal status is even more removed from Lambeth than St Paul's Cathedral!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-26942217629236469442011-11-01T08:51:24.722+13:002011-11-01T08:51:24.722+13:00Anyone up with the play in the world-wide Anglican...Anyone up with the play in the world-wide Anglican Communion would already be aware of the fact that both the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Archbishop of York had made their opinion known about 'Greed in the City' much earlier in the piece. To accuse them of non-engagement in the present situation is to completely misread what's going on. <br /><br />This is a tussle between the Cathedral Dean and Chapter and the perceived right of the protesters to protest around the Cathedral Precinct. It is nothing to do with the issue of the object of the protest.<br /><br />Canon Giles Fraser, leader of 'Inclusive Church' resigned because of his desire to align the Church with the freedom of the Gospel - whether to protect gays and women from persecution by the Church, or for the rights of peaceful protesters to protest.<br /><br />Don't let's make this situation more fraught than it already is by throwing around false rumours.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com