tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post1885993378245520307..comments2024-03-30T00:33:32.285+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Looking East in Spring: enjoying and making sense of Rowan Williams (1/n)Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-32004771349602286192021-10-31T09:08:35.233+13:002021-10-31T09:08:35.233+13:00An item here, bishop Peter, that might interest yo...An item here, bishop Peter, that might interest your readers, is the fact that on Saturday 30th October 2021, the former Anglican Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali was ordained a priest of the Anglican/Roman Catholic Ordinariate by no less a person than the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster, in such a degree of such solemn splendour as can only befit the capture of a former Anglican prelate from an Evangelical background in the Church of England.<br /><br />The link is here: kiwiangloFather Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-6224611057062668182021-10-28T12:20:13.782+13:002021-10-28T12:20:13.782+13:00When I started looking East decades ago, that was ...When I started looking East decades ago, that was seen as a rather exotic, or maybe romantic, but surely *impractical* thing to do. But now we get good dissertations about say Maximus or one of the Gregories from even low Protestant bastions like Princeton or Duke. <br /><br />The authors are mostly not sailing to Byzantium, or introducing congregations of Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians to kissing ikons and enduring long fasts. Rather, the most judicious minds are using the new/old learning to do theology that is not triumphalist or speculative but reparative (cf Rome's nouvelle theologie). By resituating their faulty denominations in an ecumene where the East is again the source tradition, they are able to look past their old power struggles, see into their blind spots, recognize their mere tribalisms, and retrieve forgotten insights that were once ecumenical. So far as theologians can, they fix flaws where they are (or at least at Eerdmans) rather than ignoring them or running off to a glitter on the horizon. And even Themelios occasionally gives one of them a good, if cautious, review. <br /><br />So if evangelicals do this, can we be surprised that Rowan Williams, from his own dissertation to the book you have, has long done the same thing? I have met a few souls who called themselves Anglo-Orthodox in an homage to the old Anglo-Catholics. But in this more ecumenical age, the retrieval of tradition is not so marginal a practice that it requires a movement let alone an institution. Anglicans who have found the West's roots in the East will be, if not more ideal, more sane.<br /><br />BWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-38931657620653936162021-10-28T08:17:46.191+13:002021-10-28T08:17:46.191+13:00An eastern-oriented Anglican church, Bowman, looks...An eastern-oriented Anglican church, Bowman, looks rather ideal :)Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-89566497900951154992021-10-27T16:58:52.191+13:002021-10-27T16:58:52.191+13:00From an orbital altitude, longtime ADU readers loo...From an orbital altitude, longtime ADU readers looking down at their blue planet might see this: Westerners talk more about the mechanics of the eucharist (how does Jesus get in there, if indeed he does?), whilst the East mostly contemplates life and the world being transfigured as the Son does this. Or: Westerners engineer cars, Italian or German, to race up Romans Road to justification; Easterners just take the train to Romans 8, get off, and explore the world St Paul described.<br /><br />BWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-48073924798462652182021-10-25T20:08:29.258+13:002021-10-25T20:08:29.258+13:00The epiclesis, Father Ron, is comparable to a West...The epiclesis, Father Ron, is comparable to a Western prayer of consecration, as you imply. But so are a few other moments in the Divine Liturgy. The East understands consecration differently.<br /><br />BWUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931946224142718747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-38093746609046027582021-10-25T02:43:13.004+13:002021-10-25T02:43:13.004+13:00This is too simple to be perfectly fair, but it is...This is too simple to be perfectly fair, but it is the first impression readers here might form from an orbital altitude: Westerners talk about the mechanics of the eucharist (how does Jesus get in there, if indeed he does?), whilst the East instead contemplates life and the world being transfigured as the Son does this. Or: Westerners engineer cars to drive up the Romans road to justification; Easterners just take the train to Romans 8, get off, and explore the world St Paul described. <br /><br />In fairness, where monastic theology in the West returned to the patristic sources, it too engages themes that have remained central in the East. And the earliest reformers, just because their generation had set aside scholastic readings of the Bible (eg Luther's early Heidelberg Disputation), here and there reopen those themes. For example, several well-received books discuss Luther, Calvin, and Wesley as proponents of ideas very like the Eastern one of *theosis*. Once one gets the habit of thinking that way, then the relatioheavenn of the eucharist to <br /><br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931946224142718747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-88817000337615300702021-10-24T20:30:31.944+13:002021-10-24T20:30:31.944+13:00For me personally, Bishop Peter; after nearly a li...For me personally, Bishop Peter; after nearly a life time of participation in the Liturgy of the Eucharist, what I fnd most appealing (and helpful) is the timelessness of the liturgical engagement with the Person of Jesus Christ. In the sacrament we have that unique amalgamation of past, present and future, wherein we experience the hint of the origins, present benefits, and future prospects of our life 'en Christo'. The spoken Word becomes the 'Word-made-flesh', dwelling among us. This is why, for me, the Orthodox understanding of the 'epiclesis' is so very important. In the Orthodox Church, this is a moment when the presiding priest employs the physical gesture of inviting the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the gifts of bread and wine.<br /><br />(Having once been invited by the village priest to be behind the iconostasis in a Greek Island Celebration of the Eucharist, this became for me an occasion of great enlightenment, and I have never forgotten the sensation of partaking in that welcoming of the charism of the Holy Spirit into the elements).<br /><br />I remember a similar 'sacred moment' in an inter-Faith Charismatic Conference in Sydney (No, Abp. Peter Jensen not present). One day was devoted to Roman Catholic liturgical arrangements. I was present with a small group of Anglican Franciscan friars attending the conference. On stage were a host of Catholic prelates, including the local Sydney Cardinal.<br />At the time of the 'Sanctus', there was a short period of 'Singing in Tongues' followed by a profound SILENCE - lasting about one minute. Afterwards, Fr. Francis McNutt, O.P., one of the leaders at the conference, suggested that this was an experience of the 'Silence of Heaven' that had been vouchsafed to us as a special sign of God's Blessing.<br /><br />In the Catholic Mass, the priest - at the preparation of the gifts of wine and water at the altar - says these words at the co-mixture: "By the mystery of this water and wine; may we come to share in the divinity of Christ, Who humbled Himself to share in our humanity".<br />Though not words of the canon from Scripture, this dedicational prayer has become, for me, a time to say with profound conviction, a loud AMEN! Simply because this is what priest and congregation have gathered together to accomplish - that unity with one another 'In Christ' that is at the heart of every Eucharist - an 'Eternal Moment'.<br />(n.b. the traditional 'co-mixture' of water and wine at the Mass signifies the blood and water shed by Jesus at His Crucifixion). <br /> Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.com