tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post1953528108580429453..comments2024-03-30T00:33:32.285+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Decline in religion plateauing?Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-19466836267284762462016-08-15T14:01:58.122+12:002016-08-15T14:01:58.122+12:00Fr Ron,
Strictly today (15 August) is the RC holy...Fr Ron,<br /><br />Strictly today (15 August) is the RC holy day of obligation, though in NZ it was transferred to yesterday. Cairns might not do a transfer.<br /><br />NickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-6150205828683038092016-08-15T12:06:53.400+12:002016-08-15T12:06:53.400+12:00Just to report on our visit to the R.C. Cathedral ...Just to report on our visit to the R.C. Cathedral in Cairns for the principal Mass on Sunday: No mention of the Blessed Virgin here. No server at the Mass, presided over by Bishop James Foley, sans chasuble, brown trousers clearly seen under the hem of his alb. No sign of assisting clergyman no Gospel Procession. However, Christ was truly Present in the large congregation - mostly foreign visitors, one would think.<br /><br />"Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus! Holy Mary, Mother of Christ, pray for us sinners, now, and in the hour of our death, Amen" <br /> Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-45861435843058856412016-08-13T12:14:20.517+12:002016-08-13T12:14:20.517+12:00Perhaps in constrast with what Brian is saying her...Perhaps in constrast with what Brian is saying here; this Sunday, which will generally be observed by Catholics around the world as a celebration of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgn Mary into Heaven (not unlike that of Elijah in the Old Testament account) Diana and I will be attending the local Roman Catholic Cathedral in Cairns, to share with that congregation the joy we feel at God's choice of Mary as the human participant in the Incarnation of Christ, our Redeemer.<br /><br />This does not mean that we have fallen out with the Evangelical Celebration of the Eucharist at the local Anglican Church (where we enjoyecd the lively charismatic worship common to the bi-cultural congregation last weekend). However, we both want to share our common love of Mary as the Mother of Christ, that is our normal setting at our own parish church of St.Michael & All Angels, at home in Christchurch, N.Z.<br /><br />We already feel condfident enough in the hospitality of our sisters and brothers in Christ in the Roman Catholic Church to be able to share this celebration with them.<br />Even more than that, we believe that the Eucharist belongs to Christ, who is the Host, and who would want all of us to share in celebrating the honour accorded to his beloved mother ("All generations shall call me 'Blessed'). Now, that's what I call 'Catholic Practice', consistent with the great prayer of Jesus for unity amongst God's children. Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-86067895274337733882016-08-13T11:02:31.900+12:002016-08-13T11:02:31.900+12:00
Hi Ron,
Having read the Pilling Repo...<br /> Hi Ron,<br /> Having read the Pilling Report,I would question as to whether anyone is any longer certain as to what they are being CONVERTED to.Bishop Keith of Birkenhead found it necessary to write a dissenting response to that Report.<br /> His dissenting response is well worth reading.<br /><br /> Regards,Glen.Glen Toungnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-85779854819323051532016-08-12T22:05:02.076+12:002016-08-12T22:05:02.076+12:00"Here,lies the basis of the Church of England..."Here,lies the basis of the Church of England as an "Establishment Church"every Englishman is ipso factor, a member of the Church.<br /> What would the muslin immigrants say to that????"<br /><br />Probably that they are cut from a different cloth.<br />The notion of pastoral responsibility to everyone resident in a geographical parish is pretty much dead in England now and subsists in only peripheral ways (right of marriage in the parish church, funerals). The electoral roll of each parish is a surer guide to 'membership', although even here there is often a disparity between (unpurged) rolls and attendees who don't care to enrol. Particularly among evangelicals (but not exclusively so), the denominational backgrounds of churchgoers is often very diverse (as it is in NZ) in what is sometimes called a post-denominational age. Protestants seem to move easily among (Protestant) denominations but I wonder if this is the case among Roman Catholics as well: do church-hopping Protestants tarry with them for a while or is the cultural/liturgical wall a bit high for that? My anecdotal experience suggests that, apart from following a marriage partner, Protestants who 'pope' tend to be attracted by the greater intellectual and cultural depth they see in the Catholic tradition compared with a more activist evangelical world - and then they may be dismayed by the poor quality of singing and preaching in Catholic churches!BrianR https://www.blogger.com/profile/11084982458935874569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-42823364424944605862016-08-12T19:52:32.230+12:002016-08-12T19:52:32.230+12:00Glen, surely you will have realised by now that th...Glen, surely you will have realised by now that the Church of England does not register membership of the Church except by Baptism. However, because it IS a State Church, ity does welcome others to share in its worship - with the hope of converting some of them.<br />Unlike some New Zealand Churches that would decline admisasion to non-members, the C. of E., as the State Church, has a duty of 'welcome to all'.Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-12797926233652330852016-08-12T12:50:20.402+12:002016-08-12T12:50:20.402+12:00Hi Peter,
Perhaps,if there is little diffe...<br />Hi Peter,<br /> Perhaps,if there is little difference what the state is legislating and what the Church is proclaiming,then the decline in church numbers may well have leveled out.Here,lies the basis of the Church of England as an "Establishment Church"every Englishman is ipso factor, a member of the Church.<br /> What would the muslin immigrants say to that????<br /> Regards Glen.Glen Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-67325634752798231012016-08-09T22:04:42.725+12:002016-08-09T22:04:42.725+12:00Excellent, thanks Shawn!Excellent, thanks Shawn!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-49247637910042737182016-08-09T21:14:14.576+12:002016-08-09T21:14:14.576+12:00There is always hope.
'A Christian Renewal? ...There is always hope. <br /><br />'A Christian Renewal? What Brexit Means for Traditionalists'<br /><br />http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2016/06/christian-renewal-brexit-means-traditionalists.html<br /><br />'Is there a Christian revival starting in France?'<br /><br />http://theweek.com/articles/531469/there-christianrevival-starting-france<br /><br />'Netherlands shows hopeful signs of faith revival'<br /><br />https://www.osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/ByIssue/Article/TabId/735/ArtMID/13636/ArticleID/6746/Netherlands-shows-hopeful-signs-of-faith-revival.aspx<br /><br />'Europe’s Christian Comeback'<br /><br />http://foreignpolicy.com/2007/06/12/europes-christian-comeback/<br /><br />'An Unexpected Wave: Eastern Europe's Catholic Charismatic Revival'<br /><br />https://www.premierchristianity.com/Past-Issues/2016/March-2016/An-Unexpected-Wave-Eastern-Europe-s-Catholic-Charismatic-RevivalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-15803586358253199532016-08-09T07:00:13.948+12:002016-08-09T07:00:13.948+12:00Thanks, Peter. My own reaction when I saw the head...Thanks, Peter. My own reaction when I saw the headline this morning and looked at the blurb, was that this was well within the margin of error, and therefore more an excuse for a journalist to write something than an actual story (all credit to John Bingham for his ability to keep getting articles placed). Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326403777027937887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-54813268343865926982016-08-09T06:56:54.601+12:002016-08-09T06:56:54.601+12:00From within the article itself (which I will make ...From within the article itself (which I will make clearer in the post).Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-80572869808131518632016-08-09T02:38:46.240+12:002016-08-09T02:38:46.240+12:00Peter, thanks for this link. Where is the Linda Wo...Peter, thanks for this link. Where is the Linda Woodhead quotation from?Ian Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08440727613424469331noreply@blogger.com