tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post3256160356753097538..comments2024-03-29T13:00:39.958+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Wrong, wrong, wrong but well meaningPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-17342201387301077632011-03-11T10:38:02.374+13:002011-03-11T10:38:02.374+13:00I must say, I agree with Kurt here. On the first S...I must say, I agree with Kurt here. On the first Sunday after the quake here in Christchurch, I attended an open-air Eucharist, at which the presiding priest invited *all present*, who wanted to, to received the Blessed Sacrament of Christ's Body and Blood. <br /><br />This was the sort of open invitation (I felt in that moment) that Jesus himself may have been pleased to give. Who knows what might not be accomplished - in the way of redemption - by that simple and yet profound 'inclusiveness' invitation that Christ offers to all - irrespective of race, religion, social standing, gender or sexual-orientation. <br /><br />As Bishop Desmond Tutu has so poignantly reminded us in his frequent homilies; the sacrifice of Christ was offered for ALL.<br /><br />Catechismic Formation can always follow the experience of Eucharist.<br />In Acts we are reminded that Jesus had followers who were not yet Baptized! They were then brought into the Family by Baptism - not against their will, but because they had tasted the redemption of Christ prior to their Formation and then 'wanted' the benefits.<br /><br />And, as Kurt says (virtually) Jesus can take care of himself. What we need to do is be open to whatever way God offers to bring children into God's Kingdom.Father Ron Smithhttp://kwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-71203487571727645972011-03-11T07:26:58.775+13:002011-03-11T07:26:58.775+13:00I agree with you and David on this issue. However,...I agree with you and David on this issue. However, I’m not going to get upset about it if others feel differently. As far as I’m concerned, the Great Exhortation says it all:<br /><br />“But if we are to share rightly in the celebration of those holy<br />Mysteries, and be nourished by that spiritual Food, we must<br />remember the dignity of that holy Sacrament. I therefore call<br />upon you to consider how Saint Paul exhorts all persons to<br />prepare themselves carefully before eating of that Bread and<br />drinking of that Cup.<br /><br />“For, as the benefit is great, if with penitent hearts and living<br />faith we receive the holy Sacrament, so is the danger great, if<br />we receive it improperly, not recognizing the Lord’s Body.<br />Judge yourselves, therefore, lest you be judged by the Lord.”<br /><br />If un-baptized individuals are willing to risk receiving the Blessed Sacrament, then it’s “no skin off my nose” as they saying here goes.<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Brooklyn, NY<br />(Where I saw my first spring Robin!)Kurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-65397150085902595922011-03-10T21:11:19.988+13:002011-03-10T21:11:19.988+13:00Excellent, David!
Ron, I am happy to have a ruine...Excellent, David!<br /><br />Ron, I am happy to have a ruined cathedral left as a memorial alongside a new, safe building a la Coventry (and do not disagree with Canon O in that respect), but the article also mentioned rebuilt churches in Dresden. That is a direction I am loath to go in.<br /><br />To paraphrase our Lord: do not judge a church by its website! The church you refer to regularly celebrates eucharist, and on the occasion I was there to participate, the service was closely by the book!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-13236793812067753502011-03-10T18:55:56.618+13:002011-03-10T18:55:56.618+13:00Dear Peter, you are tackling some very different a...Dear Peter, you are tackling some very different and important questions in this thread, which really need to be treated (to my mind) separately, and with due diligence.<br /><br />1. yr ref: "You too can rebuild, seems to be his message. Well meaning but wrong" :<br /><br />Canon Paul, is the cleric mainly concerned with what has come out of the re-building of Coventry Cathedral, and has some experience in the known after effects, on the citizens, of the new edifice. Many of us who were in Coventry at the time of the Blitz were, at first, horrified by what we saw as an act of vandalism - in the proposal to erect a new, modern building to replace the original St.Michael's Cathedral. However, when the idea of keeping a part of the ruined church, as part and parcel of the complex was explained, the significance of the juxta-position of the buildings became evident. I think a similar project could work in Christchurch<br /><br />Was Canon Paul wrong in suggesting this might be a viable option here? I think not. We have to keep all options open. As to materials used in the new building? Are you suggesting that nowhere in New Zealand must we from henceforth ever utilise the lovely local stone readily available for new building - in the belief that nowhere is safe from future earth- quakes? That would be sad.<br /><br />As for your second great theme - the disposition of the Eucharist - that deserves a whole thread all to itself, and I shall refrain from commenting on your comments here. Who knows? I might even do something on my own blog. <br /><br />What worries me more about the subject of the Eucharist, is that there is at least one Anglican parish church in this city of Christchurch that does not even advertise any celebrations of the Eucharist on its web-site. Do they not take the opportunity to celebrate the one sacramental presence of Christ among them at the altar? Or is the preaching of the 'words in the Book' more important than the traditional Anglican Eucharistic celebration of the Word-made-flesh? Something to ponder here, surelyFather Ron Smithhttp://kwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-47943682027936154392011-03-10T08:53:39.393+13:002011-03-10T08:53:39.393+13:00On this topic of Eucharist, we are in perfect agre...On this topic of Eucharist, we are in perfect agreement.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.com