tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post3574982392780676739..comments2024-03-29T13:30:56.758+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Sinners across the Tiber are no worse than on this sidePeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-40934435313076070492010-09-02T15:41:19.208+12:002010-09-02T15:41:19.208+12:00Hi Bryan
Forgot to mention 'magisterium': ...Hi Bryan<br />Forgot to mention 'magisterium': I hope to return to that in a post shortly!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-49804714285478353592010-09-02T15:01:26.609+12:002010-09-02T15:01:26.609+12:00Thanks for the link, Bryan. To be honest I can sca...Thanks for the link, Bryan. To be honest I can scarcely conceive of crossing the Tiber in order to be a priest over there (with all that might mean about nullity of present orders etc) though I can conceive of it because Protestantism has turned to custard (I use 'Protestantism' advisably; having recently been at a Protestant event about church life notably void of an ecclesiology)!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-34302779574202258702010-09-02T13:18:27.356+12:002010-09-02T13:18:27.356+12:00Peter, I seem to recall in an earlier posting that...Peter, I seem to recall in an earlier posting that you offered some thoughts about an "Anglican magisterium," and I'd love to hear more from you on this. Perhaps the topic deserves a full posting of its own.<br /><br />The shenanigans of politicians aside, one of the many reasons why I have no interest in crossing the Tiber is that I agree with Jeremy Taylor on <a href="http://URL" rel="nofollow">the sufficiency of Anglicanism</a> (at least Anglicanism at its best).<br /><br />There's also a negative reason: to swim the Tiber, one must be willing to say that Anglicanism is null and void. And, if one is ordained, one must be willing to concede that one's orders have always been invalid. IOW, that one has been living a lie and merely (at best) "playing" church.<br /><br />I'm far more attracted to Eastern Orthodoxy than to Roman Catholicism, but there's the same problem with Orthodoxy vis a vis Anglicanism. <br /><br />But to put it in a different light, an Orthodox priest told one my clergy colleagues who's struggling with staying in the Episcopal Church: "You should not even think about leaving and becoming Orthodox unless you truly believe that Orthodoxy contains the fullness of Christian truth." IOW, one should not leave for negative reasons, but for positive ones. That's wise counsel.<br /><br />But as for me, regardless of what the controversies/troubles of the day may be, I cannot imagine being anything other than an Anglican Christian.Fr. Bryan Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040773309359417883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-26009637682959160492010-09-02T09:41:48.822+12:002010-09-02T09:41:48.822+12:00Life can be complex!Life can be complex!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-1336658368816101962010-09-02T09:32:13.937+12:002010-09-02T09:32:13.937+12:00Roman Catholics in the UK tend to be more open tow...Roman Catholics in the UK tend to be more open towards homosexuality (at least so I find.) The main LGBT masses are held in RC churches. There is a regular LGBT mass very openly advertised in Soho - a quieter monthly one in Manchester - and there is a large RC gay movement.Martin Prendergast is, I think, the name of one of the main proponents of the RC LGBT movement and there is a good showing of RC Christians at Pride events. One year they wore "No-one knows I'm Catholic..." T-shirts!<br /><br />Rumour has it that a reasonably large number of the conservative RC people, such as Forward in Faith members, are in active gay partnerships -despite being "anti- gay" but it is best to ignore rumour.<br /><br />So, maybe in his views on sexuality Tony Blair is showing Roman colours after all...Suemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128736092253293640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-74504984461941489842010-09-02T09:24:19.875+12:002010-09-02T09:24:19.875+12:00He did win three elections which is more than a lo...He did win three elections which is more than a lot of politicians! So some virtue must lurk there ...Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-69248539770938583622010-09-02T09:21:34.397+12:002010-09-02T09:21:34.397+12:00I am not a great fan of Tony Blair. I had reservat...I am not a great fan of Tony Blair. I had reservations about him taking the country to war with Iraq and felt there may have been dishonesty about the supposed clear evidence for weapons of mass destruction. His memoirs seem to me to be self promoting, keen to justify and lay claim to his place in history.<br /><br />I think few politicians are overly honest or transparent though. <br /><br />I suppose we are all sinners on either side of any Tiber. One of our biggest sins is to be better at spotting the sins of our brother (or sister) than our own.Suemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128736092253293640noreply@blogger.com