tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post4497159433506751032..comments2024-03-19T16:52:19.962+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: More unedifying spectaclePeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-86426684596769583532010-05-30T08:16:35.698+12:002010-05-30T08:16:35.698+12:00Well i am disagreeing with you, Margaret! What'...Well i am disagreeing with you, Margaret! What's this all about? "...whereas the liberal side claim that the behaviour that they indulge in is blessed by God."<br />I am on the liberal side in the current debate about the status of gays in our church, Which part of my behaviour do you find objectionable?Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-90484562789216303232010-05-29T21:30:54.307+12:002010-05-29T21:30:54.307+12:00I am not disagreeing with you Margaret!I am not disagreeing with you Margaret!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-64920633042706952182010-05-29T15:52:05.779+12:002010-05-29T15:52:05.779+12:00Peter - I don't think the issue is about &quo...Peter - I don't think the issue is about "working order" or "good enough" or however you would like to phrase it.<br /><br />It is more an issue of "is this behaviour within our standards?" or "is this behaviour sanctioned by our faith?" <br /><br />You see the big difference between the examples you give on the conservative side is they are yet to develop a liturgy to bless the menacing of a priest, or claimed drinking on the job was a movement of the spirit, or that they are blessed by different factions taking up arms ... whereas the liberal side claim that the behaviour that they indulge in is blessed by God, the movement of the Spirit, and they have developed liturgies to bless it - including using the recent Glasspool consecration.<br /><br />It seems to me that evil done in defiance of the faith is of a different quality to evil claimed to be an outpouring of that faith.MargaretGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11113913094810256635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-59404732067700523342010-05-28T16:29:03.117+12:002010-05-28T16:29:03.117+12:00Thanks Bryden!
Margaret, That is a good question....Thanks Bryden!<br /><br />Margaret, That is a good question. Jesus tells us not to judge. Paul encourages accountability to one another. "In order" could perhaps be "in good working order" rather than "perfect". The question for Anglican conservatives would then be, "Is our lot in good working order?" Right now it looks like we need to (a) clarify the bits of our life which are not out of order through our own doing (e.g. Zimbabwe where things are bizarre), (b) work better at the things which are of our own doing (e.g. division in North America).Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-11053439775925198802010-05-28T16:12:46.122+12:002010-05-28T16:12:46.122+12:00You make a very valid point, but I take it what yo...You make a very valid point, but I take it what you are really saying is that since no house will ever be totally in order, we can never call one another to account.<br /><br />Right?MargaretGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11113913094810256635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-19829308055199653572010-05-28T15:52:46.955+12:002010-05-28T15:52:46.955+12:00What might be better taken Peter is the root cause...What might be better taken Peter is the root cause of the "warfare" in Harare. NK stole the original election from the three other candidates at the original electoral synod - quite literally, stole! He was after all Mugabe's stooge! Thereafter, such was his behaviour that eventually the Chancellor, the late Bob Stumbles, brought before a Judge 34 counts of fraud against NK. Such was the strength of the evidence, the Judge next morning dismissed the case, fearing a ruling against NK, which meant in effect against Mugabe. Then of course NK declared a UDI of his own against the Province of Central Africa, making himself Abp of Harare and 'ordaining' 4 bps. Enter a temporary, retired Bp, Sebastian Bakare, on behalf of the Province until they could elect a due replacement. Enter finally Chad, whom I know well. And all the while, the courts are ruling in favour of +Chad and the true Diocese, while the police and thugs barricade the local churches, including my own previous one, preventing services from occurring! A mess it is - but whose it really is is also clear!Bryden Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15619512328964399016noreply@blogger.com