tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post4707893408735465074..comments2024-03-29T17:55:30.203+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Meeting ++Peter Jensen (UPDATED with link to ET of Roman Synod's final statement)Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-49562668770774235702014-11-07T22:08:11.889+13:002014-11-07T22:08:11.889+13:00Well, MichaelA; with TEC being ostracised by GAFCO...Well, MichaelA; with TEC being ostracised by GAFCON - do you not get the drift? The fact if, that there ARE African Provinces - who are more progressive on matters of gender and sexuality - that prefer to associate with the mission of TEC - rather than the divisive culture of the GAFCON. I call that a 're-action' against the culture of GAFCON. What do you really think?Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-47468179723870599942014-11-06T16:35:31.929+13:002014-11-06T16:35:31.929+13:00"Perhaps you should see it as a reaction to t..."Perhaps you should see it as a reaction to the other group of 'Anglicans' in GAFCON..."<br /><br />Do they suggest or even hint as much? Perhaps you should admit to yourself that you are projecting your own beliefs and value onto others, Fr Ron!MichaelAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-555158509468366662014-11-04T12:04:52.783+13:002014-11-04T12:04:52.783+13:00Andrew Reid. Perhgaps you need to get this gatheri...Andrew Reid. Perhgaps you need to get this gathering into a proper rrespective.<br /><br />Perhaps you should see it as a reaction to the other group of 'Anglicans' in GAFCON, who have set themselves up as being truly representative of 'orthodox' Anglicanism.<br /><br />You have to choose between the Scripture, Tradition and Reason group, or the Sola Scriptura group; as to which truly represents Anglicanism.<br /><br />My backing is for the non-GAFCON lot.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-83839028813432117302014-11-03T22:42:23.878+13:002014-11-03T22:42:23.878+13:00Yes, but this is more akin to the Wallabies playin...Yes, but this is more akin to the Wallabies playing the Barbarians, but all 23 Barbarians players just happen to come from the English test squad. (BTW, Aus v Bar was a cracker of a match and the NZ boys in the Barbars would be walk up Test starters in any other country. How do they miss out?)<br /><br />If you call it a Consultation of Anglican bishops, you expect a bit of breadth. If they had called it a "TEC - Africa partner bishops consultation" that would be more accurate and clearer in its purpose.<br />Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-34000598595885077642014-11-02T22:00:29.058+13:002014-11-02T22:00:29.058+13:00It was not representative at all, Andrew. Neither ...It was not representative at all, Andrew. Neither was the All Blacks v USA match today representative of global rugby, but it did do the progress of rugby's global ambitions some good, and maybe the Anglican meeting will assist global Anglicanism!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-41116969489641408392014-11-02T21:09:10.081+13:002014-11-02T21:09:10.081+13:00May I question how "intra Anglican" or r...May I question how "intra Anglican" or representative of all Anglican tradiitons that Consultation of Anglican Bishops was, Peter? Given all the Western representatives are part of TEC, it would seem to be more of a TEC marketing exercise than a genuine dialogue. I am not familiar with all of the African primates so I can't comment on their background or current links to TEC, but I note that only Archbishop Ntahoturi from Burundi is part of the Global South leadership (Steering Committee member) and none are members of the GAFCON Primates Council. They may have attended these events, but I don't know. I also note the financial focus of many of the outcomes:<br />"We committed ourselves to exploring pension schemes, stewardship of finances and other resources (management and investment), health services, mining and related environmental issues, advocacy, migration and statelessness, human trafficking, religious freedom, and theological education."<br />I commend all forms of meaningful and truthful dialogue in our Communion and I hope this event achieved that. Based on the participants and stated agenda, I am not optimistic.Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81516525558383575972014-11-01T18:26:34.286+13:002014-11-01T18:26:34.286+13:00My apologies Peter and Fr Ron, I was thinking of t...My apologies Peter and Fr Ron, I was thinking of the Latimer Trust!<br /><br />A bit of web research now tells me that the Latimer Fellowship is an evangelical fellowship in New Zealand!MichaelAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-54752490584526399292014-10-31T22:41:54.196+13:002014-10-31T22:41:54.196+13:00Hi Michael
I cannot speak for the whole event as I...Hi Michael<br />I cannot speak for the whole event as I was not there for it, but my general memory of Latimer talks, lectures and magazine articles over the last few years is that little or no attention has been paid to Eucharistic theology.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-89607656074730357762014-10-31T15:31:24.215+13:002014-10-31T15:31:24.215+13:00"I do realise that the spirituality of Jesus ..."I do realise that the spirituality of Jesus in the Eucharist will probably not be the subject of teaching at the Latimer Fellowship gathering, Peter"<br /><br />You seem very confident that you know exactly what others think, Fr Ron!<br /><br />The real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is part of the teaching of classical Anglicanism, as set out for instance in the Articles of Religion. These were the beliefs that Latimer suffered persecution and martyrdom for. I doubt that the fellowship named after him believes any differently. MichaelAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-31068249063095952012014-10-31T09:26:38.740+13:002014-10-31T09:26:38.740+13:00May the service go well, Ron. I am elsewhere, enga...May the service go well, Ron. I am elsewhere, engaged in ecclesial "business" on behalf of +Victoria.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-14445852000662805922014-10-31T09:14:10.786+13:002014-10-31T09:14:10.786+13:00"I do understand that adoration of the Blesse..."I do understand that adoration of the Blessed Sacrament comes from faith in Jesus and centres faith on Jesus!"<br /><br />- Raymond Brown per Peter Carrell -<br /><br />And where else should the charism of faith be centered, but on Jesus?<br /><br />This understanding is at the very heart of the adoration of Jesus in the Sacrament of his Body and Blood - which He instituted as a living memorial of his Incarnate, Risen and Ascended Life.<br /><br />Those of us who centre our worship around Jesus in the Eucharist at St. Michael and All Angels, Christchurch, have the mandate of Jesus, Himself; vide Saints Paul & John. Not a bad provenance for Eucharistic worship!<br /><br />All are welcome to the re-dedication of the whakahuia at SMAA on Sunday, Feast of All Saints & All Souls, 02 November. at the 10am Sung Eucharist.<br /><br />The dedication will be carried out by Bishop John Gray (Tikanga Maori).<br /><br />(I do realise that the spirituality of Jesus in the Eucharist will probably not be the subject of teaching at the Latimer Fellowship gathering, Peter. Nonetheless, it lies at the heart of catholic theology, and is accepted by the vast majority of the world's Christians.<br /><br />"Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: therefore. let us keep the Feast!"Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com