tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post4710502616776903773..comments2024-03-28T22:29:52.666+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Come back Ottomans?Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81691592515360416292013-10-01T19:09:27.574+13:002013-10-01T19:09:27.574+13:00Andrei, that's very interesting. Just imagine ...Andrei, that's very interesting. Just imagine attending the first Divine Liturgy in the Church of the Holy Wisdom since 1453 in the second Rome!<br /><br />MichaelA: "But the important bit remained, i.e. what Britain and France wanted: Iraq, Palestine, Syria-Lebanon. And they got them."<br /><br />Yes, a triumph of our geopolitical wisdom! It's been pax aeterna ever since.<br /><br />Martin Sykes-PicotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-33142829252362867102013-10-01T18:27:16.221+13:002013-10-01T18:27:16.221+13:00"That's not what your fifth self told me&..."That's not what your fifth self told me"<br /><br />Ignore him. That one can't be trusted. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-366644015443578032013-10-01T16:52:39.729+13:002013-10-01T16:52:39.729+13:00That's not what your fifth self told me, Shawn...That's not what your fifth self told me, ShawnMichaelAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-83888330889084748412013-10-01T16:51:57.013+13:002013-10-01T16:51:57.013+13:00"if Gallipoli had come off Constantinople and..."if Gallipoli had come off Constantinople and the Dardanelles were to be the spoils of the Russian Empire under a deal cut by the British, French and Russians as to how the Ottoman Empire was to be divided between them."<br /><br />But the important bit remained, i.e. what Britain and France wanted: Iraq, Palestine, Syria-Lebanon. And they got them. <br /><br />That gave them oil wells in Iraq, plus two pipelines, one to a terminal in Tripoli, Lebanon (for France) and one to a terminal in Haifa, Palestine (for Britain)!MichaelAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81143672035754396842013-10-01T14:11:01.180+13:002013-10-01T14:11:01.180+13:00Multiple names? Sorry SK, that Dane of many names ...Multiple names? Sorry SK, that Dane of many names ...! We literally didn't follow you! Bryden Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15619512328964399016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-9849937316593735602013-10-01T12:02:29.486+13:002013-10-01T12:02:29.486+13:00I object to the claim that having multiple persona...I object to the claim that having multiple personalities is a disorder. All of my personalities are perfectly ordered and generally get along just fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-3137560191520695812013-10-01T11:23:04.118+13:002013-10-01T11:23:04.118+13:00I didn't know that Andrei!I didn't know that Andrei!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-56157330389162148382013-10-01T10:59:20.230+13:002013-10-01T10:59:20.230+13:00That apology is coming up right after the British ...<i>That apology is coming up right after the British government and the Churchill family apologise for sending the ANZACs on such a flawed, foolish and futile gesture in the first place!</i><br /><br />Here's something I bet you didn't know Peter - if Gallipoli had come off Constantinople and the Dardanelles were to be the spoils of the Russian Empire under a deal cut by the British, French and Russians as to how the Ottoman Empire was to be divided between them.<br /><br />So those ANZAC boys were actually fighting and dying for the Tzar.<br /><br />It was the Bolsheviks who rescinded the deal, the Russian revolution may have saved Turkey who knows? Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-85275514950537880612013-10-01T10:23:04.195+13:002013-10-01T10:23:04.195+13:00Thank you, Ron. I long suspected I had a personali...Thank you, Ron. I long suspected I had a personality disorder and you have helped me to see it is MPD.<br /><br />Dr J. Martin HydeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-8273055708615715262013-10-01T09:49:58.620+13:002013-10-01T09:49:58.620+13:00Hi Ron
So long as I can keep track myself of the s...Hi Ron<br />So long as I can keep track myself of the single identity making its way through many witty pseudonyms I am confident I am dealing with one and only one person. I think I can see a consistent line of conservative, theological, political and economic thought ...Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-73370354793787224902013-10-01T09:30:44.956+13:002013-10-01T09:30:44.956+13:00Peter, you seem to have a correspondent on your bl...Peter, you seem to have a correspondent on your blogs who gives himself many names. Firstly: Anonymous, then a name beginning with M. - this latter sometimes preceding some outlandish foreign pseudonym. <br /><br />He has so many opinions on many different things, but, can we be sure he is not just a multiple personality masquerading under pseudonymous titles?<br /><br />Split personalities can often be given credence on topics that deserve an out-front identification - under a single identifiable name. Then your other correspondents can be assured they are dealing with one and the same person, with identifiable prejudices, that can then be easily dealt with.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-56855261717758199042013-10-01T09:21:24.027+13:002013-10-01T09:21:24.027+13:00I like Time's description of Pope Francis as a...I like Time's description of Pope Francis as a radical traditionalist. This seems a far more accurate understanding than those who see him as a potential liberal. Francis seems to me to be closer to JP 2 than to J 23. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-44773914983052258512013-10-01T07:06:50.191+13:002013-10-01T07:06:50.191+13:00Hi Martin
That apology is coming up right after th...Hi Martin<br />That apology is coming up right after the British government and the Churchill family apologise for sending the ANZACs on such a flawed, foolish and futile gesture in the first place!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-9049521996257966032013-10-01T06:25:18.349+13:002013-10-01T06:25:18.349+13:00Yes, I agree it is better to be kicked in the guts...Yes, I agree it is better to be kicked in the guts and spat on than to have your hands cut off.<br />But I would choose neither. <br /><br />Peter, I was beginning to wonder if this was a prelude to NZ Anglicanism's 2015 apology to Turkey for Gallipoli! :)<br /><br />Martin of St SavaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-46532093637647234452013-10-01T02:12:19.016+13:002013-10-01T02:12:19.016+13:00Muslim rule is never good for anyone who is not Mu...Muslim rule is never good for anyone who is not Muslim. I mentioned in the previous thread on this topic Serge Trifkovik's 'The Sword of the Prophet'. Along with many other horrors it details the rape of the Christian Balkans under the oppressive tyranny of the Ottomans. I doubt much if any of that will be in the BBC documentary. When it comes to Islam, the BBC engages in whitewashing and dishonest propaganda, funded by money forcibly stolen from British citizens.<br /><br />Looking for examples of good Islamic rule is like looking for the abominable snowman. It might exist, but the evidence is not remotely convincing.<br /><br />Better to pray for the conversion of the Islamic lands to Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-77621638661261201762013-09-30T22:44:14.552+13:002013-09-30T22:44:14.552+13:00OK. The answer to my question 'Come back Ottom...OK. The answer to my question 'Come back Ottomans?' seems to me No. On the other hand I wonder if life was better under them than under the Taliban ...Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-69945415043180952362013-09-30T19:11:19.094+13:002013-09-30T19:11:19.094+13:00The British Empire arose more from accident than d...The British Empire arose more from accident than design (it wasn't based on intentional invasions and conquests)and it was not notably brutal or oppressive. Amritsar was a drop in the bucket compared to the huge massacres and 'communal violence' (as they used to call Muslim-Hindu warfare) before and since. (It's worth finding out how many Hin0dus dies resisting the Mughals. It is an enormous shame that much of Africa and Pakistan failed to maintain the good things of British rule (parliamentary democracy, rule of law, freedom of speech and religion etc) and that despots arose in its place. <br /><br />The Austro-Hungarian empire wasn't notably illiberal either.<br /><br />Marcus BritannicusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-72216376257396027502013-09-30T18:49:41.990+13:002013-09-30T18:49:41.990+13:00You're right, Andrei. The article is a farrago...You're right, Andrei. The article is a farrago of historical ignorance and special pleading, designed as a puff piece for the latest pro-Muslim series by the BBC, fronted by their old Muslim newsreader, Rageh Omaar. (For the record, Omaar is a telegenic journalist complex issues, not a historian - but what does that matter?) The Independent journalist even admits he knew little of how far Muslim depredations and conquests went into Europe.<br />There was a very good reason Manuel Paleologus said what he did to the emissaries of the Ottomans who had been destroying his empire - and it would not be long before they massacred untold numbers in Constantinople and devastated monasteries and churches in the Balkans.<br />The shock troops of the Ottomans were the Janissaries - kidnapped Christian children who were brought up as Muslim warriors. For that reason, Christian families would often hide in the mountains to prevent the kidnap of their children. Greek independence took centuries of resistance and untold bloodshed. If they had not succeeded, Greece would have ended up like Syria or Egypt today - and the Arabs heartily loathed the Turks as well. Remember Lawrence of Arabia?<br />Turkey is in considerable ferment today, between the creeping Islamists in power and those who maintain the legacy of Ataturk, as the recent riots in Istanbul showed.<br />Martin SkanderbegAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-2035344289217334182013-09-30T16:11:00.524+13:002013-09-30T16:11:00.524+13:00Fair point Andrei!
But there have been many empir...Fair point Andrei!<br /><br />But there have been many empires which have offered a certain kind of 'peace' with a mixed bag of assault, war, and suppression of rebellions ... I can think of the Romans, British, Austro-Hungarians ...Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-12458511386002999412013-09-30T15:36:48.662+13:002013-09-30T15:36:48.662+13:00"for centuries, .. peaceably ruled much of th...<i>"for centuries, .. peaceably ruled much of the civilised world".</i><br /><br />You have to love historical revisionism.<br /><br />For example The death of Patriarch Gregory V of Constantinople, who was dragged from his Cathedral on Easter Sunday 1821 and hanged in his vestments - and left hanging for three days after which his body was dragged through the streets and tossed unceremoniously into the Bosporus. Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-79697772233438581052013-09-30T12:36:32.184+13:002013-09-30T12:36:32.184+13:00They both have South America in common as their ho...They both have South America in common as their home continent!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-56565890408310509442013-09-30T10:43:55.710+13:002013-09-30T10:43:55.710+13:00Years ago there was a military strong man in Chile...Years ago there was a military strong man in Chile named Pinochet. Not a bad ruler, as such go, and did a lot of things to repair the economy. Of course, he was completely reviled. A US commentator of the day remarked that all Pinochet needed to do was to claim to be a Socialist. Keep doing what he was doing, and since he was now a "Socialist" people would love him. Sometimes I think ++Francis heard that comment. We shall see.Tregonseehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01705100658499499100noreply@blogger.com