tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post6420592862295492192..comments2024-03-29T22:00:02.999+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: May our discipline be consistentPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-12476704583121772512011-10-08T22:47:27.730+13:002011-10-08T22:47:27.730+13:00As you rightly say, Peter. Also, he may be guided ...As you rightly say, Peter. Also, he may be guided by his own conscience, only - in opposition to that if the leadership of his Church.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-22616268180195893932011-10-08T18:53:37.550+13:002011-10-08T18:53:37.550+13:00Hi Ron
A dissident priest may be the conscience of...Hi Ron<br />A dissident priest may be the conscience of the church, not a rebel against it.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-76158257885746607642011-10-08T18:37:11.898+13:002011-10-08T18:37:11.898+13:00Hi Janice
Good questions.
I guess I am thinking th...Hi Janice<br />Good questions.<br />I guess I am thinking that if a dissident priest decided to leave an Anglican church it would be merciful not to deforck him; just as it would be merciful not to defrock a fraudulent priest who otherwise was punished by the state. Whether a fraudulent priest ought to be licensed again would depend on a whole lot of factors I won't attempt to discuss here.<br /><br />An abusive priest, especially an abuser of children, raises questions about safety of children so that any mercy shown would not mean any kind of further risk re the priest being in contact with children. It would be most unlikely today that any convicted abuser of children who was a priest would practice again in our church, I presume not in yours either.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-53779693958013150762011-10-08T18:31:53.053+13:002011-10-08T18:31:53.053+13:00Hi Anonymous
Please give a first name or no furthe...Hi Anonymous<br />Please give a first name or no further comments will be published.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-42102055328436295662011-10-08T18:16:40.593+13:002011-10-08T18:16:40.593+13:00Indeed Janice. Often in these cases it is claimed ...Indeed Janice. Often in these cases it is claimed that there are no victims because the insurance company covered it -- but the rest of the population that now has to pay higher premiums are victims as much as if the money had been stolen from them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-43964959838473723612011-10-08T17:20:37.599+13:002011-10-08T17:20:37.599+13:00Peter, there is a subtle difference between crimin...Peter, there is a subtle difference between criminality on the part of a priest, and dissidence on his/her part.<br /><br />Criminality is normally punishable by the State. Dissidence, though not criminal, is a threat to the Church - against which the priest is rebelling. This may, or may not require the discipline of the Church - dependent on the degree of loyalty expected of that Body.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-16083901392534446422011-10-08T13:06:04.260+13:002011-10-08T13:06:04.260+13:00For myself I lean towards mercy and hope that whet...<i>For myself I lean towards mercy and hope that whether a priest is fraudulent or dissident our church can be merciful.</i><br /><br />Merciful to whom? And in what does mercy consist?<br /><br />In the case of priests who sexually abused children it is notorious that many were treated with a "mercy" that offered no mercy to those abused.<br /><br />May it not be the case that it can be more merciful to allow offenders to suffer the full consequences of their offence? Isn't it the failure of courts to appropriately punish wrongdoers that leads many to continue in wrongdoing since they have learned that the risk of punishment is slight? <br /><br />Surely, those who have demonstrated that they lack the character attributes required of a priest are not shown mercy by being told that, nevertheless, they can remain one, and neither are the persons with whom such a priest may subsequently come into contact.Janicenoreply@blogger.com