tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post7047294997754881877..comments2024-03-13T13:25:52.881+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: A little bit confusedPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-2416656225204641192012-02-10T12:05:13.973+13:002012-02-10T12:05:13.973+13:00Contrary to what Pageantmaster avers, I believe th...Contrary to what Pageantmaster avers, I believe that the Ordination of Women Bishops in the Church of England will Proceed - in one way or another. It may take longer than some of us had hoped. But then, most of us in other part of the Communion are by now used to the dear old C.of E. lagging behind on justice issues that other forward-looking Provinces have already dealt with. Carpe diem!Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-71038438469743730732012-02-10T03:36:43.769+13:002012-02-10T03:36:43.769+13:00Just found a better one, actually, which gives a t...Just found a better one, actually, which gives a timeframe for the future.<br />http://churchofengland.org/media/1386028/gs%20misc%201012%20-%20consecration%20of%20women%20to%20the%20episcopate%20future%20process.pdfAndrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-11751376509422642992012-02-10T02:26:11.486+13:002012-02-10T02:26:11.486+13:00Perhaps, but might not a comment like that coming ...Perhaps, but might not a comment like that coming from Fr Ron instead say it all?<br /><br />If you were to read an intelligent gold standard blog like Canon Harmon's, Fr Ron, you might understand what I am actually in favour of and against. As Peter Ould tweeted this morning: "I'm of the school that if you cannot accurately represent your opponent's position you cannot reasonably argue against it."<br /><br />I started off from a position of supporting women bishops, but as time and the bad behaviour of their supporters has gone on, this is less and less the case.<br /><br />On yesterday's votes, the Measure will not achieve the 2/3 majority required in all three houses of bishops, clergy and laity, and nothing which happened yesterday will have improved the odds - quite the reverse.Pageantmasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-86413818592374650982012-02-09T22:09:15.454+13:002012-02-09T22:09:15.454+13:00Hi Peter,
The CofE General Synod has a fairly long...Hi Peter,<br />The CofE General Synod has a fairly long and complicated process for approving legislation, especially when it affects worship or order of the church. The best overview I could find was in this paper, when they sent the women bishps legislation to the diocesan synods for their decision.<br />http://www.churchofengland.org/media/1232483/gsmisc964.pdfAndrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-5199431481077600812012-02-09T18:50:12.926+13:002012-02-09T18:50:12.926+13:00Well, the fact that Pageantmaster's article su...Well, the fact that Pageantmaster's article supporting the Manchester Diocesan attempt to high-jack the 'Code of Practice' agreed by last year's G.S. appears on Kendall Harmon's blog says it all. <br /><br />P.M. is against women's unfettered control in her own diocese. However, he could still be disappointed. Justice may yet prevail at G.S. July.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-80857184576438086532012-02-09T12:42:23.432+13:002012-02-09T12:42:23.432+13:00There was no confusion today, Peter+. What happen...There was no confusion today, Peter+. What happened was a cynical and deliberate wrecking of a motion put forward by the Diocese of Manchester. I deal with what went on here:<br />http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/41082/#453961Pageantmasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-34417318868631834862012-02-09T11:24:48.721+13:002012-02-09T11:24:48.721+13:00I think, Peter, that a careful reading of the '...I think, Peter, that a careful reading of the 'Thinking Anglicans' article will give you a clearer understanding of the situation - vis-a-vis Women Bishops - than you appear to have gained so far.<br /><br />What is happening is that Women Bishops will, in all probability, be approved at General Synod in the forthcoming July. <br /><br />The present shenanigans are about whether, or not, the 'Archbishops' Amendment': which would provide a cast-iron protection of dissenters' right to receive episcopal ministry from a male 'untainted' bishop - without the 'interference of a female diocesan bishop.<br /><br />The amendment to this effect is being support by very few of the diocese - the majority of which wanted the 'Code of Practice', that would involve a woman diocesan bishop conferring on a male 'Flying Bishop' the right to minister in her diocese, thus retaining the Diocesan's juridical 'authority' in her own diocese. <br /><br />The few diocese that have - against the tide - voted to support the Archbishops' Amendment, have been allowed to present their case at the present meeting of the G.S. Thus, the Diocese of Manchester has been allowed to raise the issue. <br /><br />The outcome of this G.S. will influence what sort of Motion will actually go to the July G.S., which will decide the case for or against the Ordination of Women to the Episcopate, and the terms agreed.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-17040059720877909142012-02-09T11:10:03.794+13:002012-02-09T11:10:03.794+13:00I am glad you're confused too. I think that wh...I am glad you're confused too. I think that what you think is right...Suemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128736092253293640noreply@blogger.com