tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post7711150893859988162..comments2024-03-29T22:00:02.999+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Note on Covenant ... note on next ABCPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81686013029957208112012-03-27T11:49:53.593+13:002012-03-27T11:49:53.593+13:00" a word that is sometimes carelessly bandied..." a word that is sometimes carelessly bandied about by some commenters on this (and other GAFCON-friendly)site(s)."<br /><br />Nonsense. We take great care in using the term.<br /><br />Liberalism is not "true orthodoxy".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-47402363744319964502012-03-27T09:39:00.189+13:002012-03-27T09:39:00.189+13:00Thanks for that Peter. Then at least, you will not...Thanks for that Peter. Then at least, you will not be following the diocese of Sydney in encouraging the laity to preside at the Eucharist. That's good to know. <br /><br />It is reassuring that theological educators are careful to follow diocesan guidelines when teaching The Faith. That's what I call true 'orthodoxy' - a word that is sometimes carelessly bandied about by some commenters on this (and other GAFCON-friendly)site(s).Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-72843026501731592462012-03-27T06:20:29.895+13:002012-03-27T06:20:29.895+13:00Hi Simon,
I think many Anglican priests in such si...Hi Simon,<br />I think many Anglican priests in such situations distinguish between clarity on sacramental theology (sum: baptism then eucharist) and charity at the communion rails (sum: do not make a fuss there).<br /><br />I would think that the bishop would have every reason to be concerned where he or she discovered that one of her or his licensed clergy was routinely ignoring opportunities to teach clearly on sacramental theology in order to underpin the general sacramental order of life in the parish. It does not sound like you are one needing such episcopal concern.<br /><br />Something I am aware of (speaking of my own experience) is that my desire to see growth in congregational numbers trumps my energy in gently reminding from time to time that people have joined an 'Anglican' church and not a church where people may pursue the sacramental theology they have inherited from their past experience of church.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-14987499952488357692012-03-27T00:07:27.125+13:002012-03-27T00:07:27.125+13:00There's a weekly challenge for those ministeri...There's a weekly challenge for those ministering in some of our evangelical parishes where we have whole families who have transferred from a Baptist or Pentecostal church and have not had their children baptised. <br />Their (often unquestioning) expectation is that their children can receive the sacrament in spite of the general understanding (re-stated gently by the vicar) that all *baptised* members of God's church are welcome at communion.<br />Come to think of it, I once gave communion to a Shi-ite Muslim who'd come to Midnight Mass with his Christian friend from the university chaplaincy. Should I have been up before the Bishop?Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-32325193978072322812012-03-25T12:45:35.520+13:002012-03-25T12:45:35.520+13:00It would, indeed, be odd for 'Open Communion&#...It would, indeed, be odd for 'Open Communion' to be offered intentionally to the unbaptized. It would be like offering solid food to an infant before it had been weaned from its mother.<br /><br />On the other hand, if people were to appear at a service of Eucharist, not knowing the process of Christian Formation but coming to the Communion rail holding out their hands to receive; what priest would refuse them?<br /><br />However, any caring Church would ensure that all congregants were aware of the need for Baptism; as the occasion of the Anointing by the Holy Spirit for participation in the Body of Christ as a member.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-79295377571063004372012-03-25T11:51:08.903+13:002012-03-25T11:51:08.903+13:00While I sometimes disagree with aspects of his the...While I sometimes disagree with aspects of his theology (his understanding of justification is deficient), and his political views, nevertheless Tom Wright is clearly the only man for the job. None of the other possible candidates inspire much confidence, and a liberal would be a true disaster. Only a strong Evangelical who is prepared to take an uncompromising stand on the authority of Scripture is capable of leading the Church forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-53185481957739348092012-03-25T08:24:48.954+13:002012-03-25T08:24:48.954+13:00Fr Ron,
Peter just did tell you.
You need to revis...Fr Ron,<br />Peter just did tell you.<br />You need to revise your set theory.<br />With a "t" not an "x" ;-)<br /><br />Blessings<br /><br />Boscoliturgyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822769747947139669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-91104682105348528182012-03-25T06:19:14.808+13:002012-03-25T06:19:14.808+13:00Peter, I wouldn't think it likely that the pro...Peter, I wouldn't think it likely that the proposal for CWOB will be adopted at our General Convenation. Support for it is thin but vocal.<br /><br />This is a canonical change, and TBTG I am serving on the Canons committee this year. I'm a staunch defender of the traditional sacramental sequence.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-73241537382844090262012-03-25T01:36:03.701+13:002012-03-25T01:36:03.701+13:00I wouldn't worry too much about this resolutio...I wouldn't worry too much about this resolution just yet. Given the energy around innovation on same sex blessing, I think the bishops will be cautious to rock more than one boat at the same time. But this will become a matter down the road and the covenant really could have helped us sort it.Fr. Jonathanhttp://conciliaranglican.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-19949687510794134922012-03-25T00:06:21.719+13:002012-03-25T00:06:21.719+13:00Justin Welby it is then!
And good news down under...Justin Welby it is then!<br /><br />And good news down under for those who want to turn left without hindrance - no more giving way to the Wright!<br /><br />+Martin of (Melas) Hippos [in partibus infidelium]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-19259404959677080762012-03-24T18:43:41.234+13:002012-03-24T18:43:41.234+13:00Gosh! Tom Wright would be a disaster!Gosh! Tom Wright would be a disaster!Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-38590465874448659762012-03-24T13:47:19.731+13:002012-03-24T13:47:19.731+13:00Let's see if the CEN publishes a list!Let's see if the CEN publishes a list!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-1651679073357979922012-03-24T13:01:59.614+13:002012-03-24T13:01:59.614+13:00Oh, go one Peter. Don't be such a tease. You k...Oh, go one Peter. Don't be such a tease. You know jolly well, you're just dying to reveal your candidate. I've shown you mine, show us yours!Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com