tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post8342532394555988276..comments2024-03-29T22:00:02.999+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Come on Muriel, you can do betterPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-90468798562145672772011-09-05T20:56:42.253+12:002011-09-05T20:56:42.253+12:00Hi Father Ron,
I didn't say that Sydney promo...Hi Father Ron, <br />I didn't say that Sydney promotes Biblical literalism at all. I said that they take the Bible seriously, meaning it is their final authority. <br />Show me any other Anglican diocese in Australia (or even the Communion) that has done anything on the scale of Connect09 to promote the sharing of the Good News, and I will happily recant my statements about their leadership in evangelism and outreach.Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-41576759945445336782011-09-05T10:58:14.807+12:002011-09-05T10:58:14.807+12:00Andrew Reed's last post, in which he claims th...Andrew Reed's last post, in which he claims the superiority of the Sydney Diocese (in the Anglican Province of Australia) in the task of promoting the cause of biblical literalism throughout the Anglican world; he is probably correct. <br /><br />However, that does not necessarily equate with the task of loving people into the ethos of Gospel Freedom; the Good News of God's love for all people, which is the task of the Church Catholic.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-46616604094418603352011-09-04T21:42:19.982+12:002011-09-04T21:42:19.982+12:00Dear Kurt,
Many of us Australian Anglicans (even ...Dear Kurt, <br />Many of us Australian Anglicans (even people from outside Sydney like me!) do not find the Sydney Diocese or the Jensens repulsive, but celebrate their commitment to sharing the good news of Jesus Christ and growing His kingdom. They are probably the only Anglican diocese in Australia that puts serious investment (money, time and effort) into outreach and evangelism, rather than maintaining the buildings and structures.<br />Some of us evangelicals outside Sydney think on occasion they could pick their battles more wisely (e.g. diaconal presidency), and don't necessarily agree with all their theological positions (e.g. women's ministry). But we rejoice that they take the Bible seriously, preach the gospel fearlessly, train their ordinands soundly, and equip their lay people for ministry.<br />I am currently living in the Diocese of Egypt, where Moore College has been a great partner with the Alexandria School of Theology, and especially with establishing their Masters program. <br />What repulses Dr Porter is that anyone has the gumption to oppose the "progressive agenda", which is actually an agenda to abandon the orthodox faith, in Australia and throughout the Communion.Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-19193033483839273362011-08-31T01:14:36.067+12:002011-08-31T01:14:36.067+12:00I suppose that one cannot blame Dr. Porter for fee...I suppose that one cannot blame Dr. Porter for feeling as she does; after all, many Australian Anglicans find Jensenism repulsive. I agree, however, that what appears to be “a big octopus reaching around the world” to Dr. Porter, appears to many of us in North America as a curious Calvinistic denomination in its birth pangs. The analogy of big frog, small pond also comes to mind.<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Brooklyn, NY<br />(Where we just dodged Hurricane Irene!)Kurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-33113184497317107932011-08-30T09:44:01.054+12:002011-08-30T09:44:01.054+12:00Hi Ron,
I identify with all Anglicans concerned wi...Hi Ron,<br />I identify with all Anglicans concerned with the schismatic tendencies of TEC!<br /><br />Have you read what I wrote? I specifically spelled out the non-relationship between the Diocese of Nelson and the Diocese of Sydney since (around) 1970. You will not be able to tell me the name of one clergyperson in the Nelson Diocese today who has a degree from Moore, let alone was 'sent' there by the Diocese of Nelson.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-45134143988142010502011-08-30T09:34:51.554+12:002011-08-30T09:34:51.554+12:00Your final paragraph, Peter, shows your identifica...Your final paragraph, Peter, shows your identification with Sydney, as a partner with the schismatic tendencies of ACNA in North America - not to mention Sydney's influence through Abp Jensen's intimate connection with the GAFCON movement <br /><br />These influences - from the Diocese of Sydney - are indeed worrisome, especially to those parts of the Church that are trying to bring some sort of restorative justice to Gays and Women.<br /><br />By the way, you seemed not to mention the terrific influence of Sydney on the Diocese of Nelson, N.Z., which has been known to send it's ordinands to Moore College - one of the evangelical propagation centres of conservatism. Its own small theological institute in Nelson, though trying to replicate the Moore college ethos, has been seen to defer to Moore to educate its brighter evangelical sparks.<br /><br />Your use of the term 'ministers' as opposed to the usual term which describes Anglican clergy 'priests', certainly indicates the extent to which Sydney advocates the gift of preaching - as preferable to the charism of priesthood. It's opposition to women is not so much a defence of priesthood, as a barrier to female preaching and leadership in the Church.<br /><br />Also, Sydney's longing for Lay-Presidency at the Eucharist is at odds with most Provinces of the Anglican Communion, and contrary to the ethos of AnglicanismFather Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com