tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post847849587922602960..comments2024-03-29T22:00:02.999+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Philip, what is going on?Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-30070814938083966352013-08-08T07:15:38.582+12:002013-08-08T07:15:38.582+12:00Hi Ron
If you want your comments to be published h...Hi Ron<br />If you want your comments to be published here do make allegations about clergy, here or over there, and especially not with phrases such as 'aggressive evangelising' and 'clergy envy'.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-16563320976885782282013-08-07T01:37:19.422+12:002013-08-07T01:37:19.422+12:00Davies wins.
My take here.
http://www.biblesociet...Davies wins. <br />My take here.<br />http://www.biblesociety.org.au/news/sydney-anglicans-elect-new-leader<br />John SandemanJohn sandemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-896506928604552912013-08-06T20:35:19.003+12:002013-08-06T20:35:19.003+12:00Peter, I just saw the first results for the voting...Peter, I just saw the first results for the voting here:<br />http://www.sds.asn.au/Site/104484.asp?a=a&ph=sy<br /><br />Rick Smith didn't get a majority in the clergy, which is VERY big news. If he can't improve on that, he won't make it to the "final list", which requires a majority in both houses. I imagine the Why Rick mob will be hitting the phones tonight.<br /><br />The process is:<br />Select List (requires majority in 1 house only)<br />Final List (requires majority in both houses)<br />Archbishop (majority in both houses)Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-64452517353173260372013-08-06T19:58:53.117+12:002013-08-06T19:58:53.117+12:00Kurt,
It's hardly a split at the top when an...Kurt, <br /><br />It's hardly a split at the top when an uncle and nephew support different candidates who differ in their approach and theology by about 1%. There was all sorts of robust debate and politicking before and during the election of Archbishop Jensen, but after the voting was done they got on with the job.Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-25345913877583709042013-08-06T06:38:00.957+12:002013-08-06T06:38:00.957+12:00Hmm, that's interesting! Perhaps we are witnes...Hmm, that's interesting! Perhaps we are witnessing a split at the top...?<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Brooklyn, NYKurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-20630353733802144912013-08-06T06:22:35.398+12:002013-08-06T06:22:35.398+12:00HI Kurt
Both candidates are backed by a self-ident...HI Kurt<br />Both candidates are backed by a self-identifying Jensen!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-46824195692729668142013-08-06T03:27:41.622+12:002013-08-06T03:27:41.622+12:00Peter, these Australian developments are indeed di...Peter, these Australian developments are indeed disturbing, but I can’t say that I’m much surprised—considering the source. This situation may be somewhat novel in Sydney, but here in America, there has been a decades-long history of fundamentalists trashing other Christians for a host of manufactured reasons. I agree, though, with your analysis. If the Jensen-backed candidate does win, it will leave a bad taste in the mouths of many other Evangelicals in Sydney. High Churchmen/women, of course, don’t really have a dog in this fight, but this outrage might just begin the process of splitting the moderate Evangelicals off from the hardline Puritans in Sydney.<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Enjoying perfect summer weather<br />In Brooklyn, NY<br /><br />Kurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-5072574433867065082013-08-05T23:43:52.963+12:002013-08-05T23:43:52.963+12:00All these debates over the finer points of scholas...All these debates over the finer points of scholastic Calvinism go right over my head, but Glenn's attributing the Westminster Confession (WC) in his reply to a group of 'Anglicans' made me smile.<br /><br />If the English Puritan/Presbyterian divines who composed the WC were in any way 'Anglican', how could they have rejected episcopacy and the use of the Book of Common Prayer and consented to the judicial murder of the Supreme Governor of the C of E (not to mention the ABC)?<br /><br />Maybe the Thirty-nine Articles aren't so 'calvinist' after all, if the WC was required to replace them, passed by Parliament as the convocation of bishops had been disbanded.<br /><br />Stephen<br />(Off message again...)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81132945945220441322013-08-05T21:42:08.655+12:002013-08-05T21:42:08.655+12:00Father Ron,
The Anglican Church of Australia is in...Father Ron,<br />The Anglican Church of Australia is in reality a fairly loose federation of the dioceses. It has no power to confirm (or not) elected bishops as in TEC, nor does it have any role in their appointment as in the C of E. We hold General Synod together, cooperate in issues that require national responses and have a primate who represents the church nationally, but we don't involve ourselves in each other's electoral synods except to pray and offer support. <br /><br />The methods of appointment of (arch)bishops vary by diocese. Some like Sydney have elections with open nominations, others have a nominations committee who choose, others like Melbourne have a mixture with the nominations committee choosing a small list for the electoral synod to choose from. <br /><br />Any Anglican diocese anywhere in the world has a fair degree of politicking and robust discussion around the election of a new bishop. There are elements of Sydney's process that I think could be done better and certain comments/articles that have been unhelpful, but the debate and politicking is hardly unusual. <br /><br />As I commented yesterday, the time for narky criticism is over and the time for prayer is here.Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-64235659781376954712013-08-05T19:18:14.389+12:002013-08-05T19:18:14.389+12:00Hi Ron
What I a sanitising are comments which make...Hi Ron<br />What I a sanitising are comments which make snide remarks about other Christians.Stop doing that and I will publish your comments. Keep doing it and I will delete (as I have just done for another comment).Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-31142078829337606012013-08-05T17:43:57.836+12:002013-08-05T17:43:57.836+12:00In the light of all the harruphing that is going o...In the light of all the harruphing that is going on at the moment in Sydney; re the Covenantal or non-Covenantal Calvinist theology of the two candidates for Archbishop, one cannot but wonder what the official provincial Anglican Church of Australia thinks about all of this. I suspect; not much.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-89954129929786959092013-08-05T17:36:00.529+12:002013-08-05T17:36:00.529+12:00Money quotes from the ABC:
"God does not repa...Money quotes from the ABC:<br />"God does not repair; he renews." Then: "Above all, they seek first to know and love Jesus. There has never been a renewal of the Church in Western Europe without a renewal of prayer and the life of religious communities; never. If we want to see things changed, it starts with prayer."Bryden Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15619512328964399016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-3851686135917651622013-08-05T13:02:17.284+12:002013-08-05T13:02:17.284+12:00Peter, your blog is becoming so sanitised, and so ...Peter, your blog is becoming so sanitised, and so open to the pleas of S.H. to disenfranchise my comments, that I feel it may no longer be worth while my commenting on your site.<br /><br />If you really want your site to be a one-sided poster-board for evangelical Christianity, I'm afraid I can no longer be bothered with it. I actually have much more positive objectives for the time I have left.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-50911942811322209072013-08-05T10:31:33.087+12:002013-08-05T10:31:33.087+12:00Hi Joshua
Indeed!Hi Joshua<br />Indeed!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-86133518796526424142013-08-05T10:21:26.708+12:002013-08-05T10:21:26.708+12:00Hi Ron
I am not publishing comments which make imp...Hi Ron<br />I am not publishing comments which make imputation about others behaving in a non-Christlike way.<br /><br />The two candidates, incidentally, are not sparring theologically. Though it appears that some of their supporters are.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-48213141716170049812013-08-05T10:17:32.603+12:002013-08-05T10:17:32.603+12:00Peter,
I am very disappointed to say the least!
H...Peter,<br />I am very disappointed to say the least!<br /><br />Have a read of this. http://creideamhamhain.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/please-sydney-diocese-dont-waste-the-opportunity/<br />Joshua Bovishttp://creideamhamhain.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-54555847294407016872013-08-05T10:12:15.318+12:002013-08-05T10:12:15.318+12:00Peter Enns shares some thoughts on Aslan's new...Peter Enns shares some thoughts on Aslan's new book, and a couple more reviews<br /><br />http://www.patheos.com/blogs/peterenns/2013/08/two-scholars-respond-to-the-actual-content-of-reza-aslans-take-on-jesus/<br /><br />Also worth reading some thoughts on the link between conservative Christian politics and distaste for such as Reza Aslan<br /><br />http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/07/2013730952642566.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-9756728282830796712013-08-05T09:33:31.916+12:002013-08-05T09:33:31.916+12:00That is a very good point, Scott, and well made.
...That is a very good point, Scott, and well made.<br /><br />Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-36095371469284520892013-08-05T09:23:27.761+12:002013-08-05T09:23:27.761+12:00Hi Peter,
Re: the document refuting Philip Jense...Hi Peter, <br /><br />Re: the document refuting Philip Jensen's claims about Glenn Davies' theology... <br /><br />What better evidence do we need that Philip Jensen ≠ Sydney Diocese ≠ Moore College!Scott Mackayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251906149770959328noreply@blogger.com