tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post8643688055455098187..comments2024-03-29T06:58:28.383+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: We are fine as we are, thank you very muchPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-68518465689433008462010-03-24T19:10:56.030+13:002010-03-24T19:10:56.030+13:00Hi Rosemary
Some of your questions are best talked...Hi Rosemary<br />Some of your questions are best talked over a cup of tea ...I am happy to arrange to see you sometime when convenient (and not clashing with Easter business/breaks)!<br /><br />I agree: to talk about greater Anglican fellowship with fellow Anglicans either walking apart or perceived to be walking apart or imagined to be thinking about walking apart is to tackle both the global and the local situations. You may not think it, but actually I am trying pretty hard on both scores.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-72734765434238013832010-03-24T17:51:15.250+13:002010-03-24T17:51:15.250+13:00I was at a Diocesan meeting last Friday and when I...I was at a Diocesan meeting last Friday and when I pointed out that no one from the Diocese has ever attended the courses we have offered through Diocesan notices with regard to children’s work, I wondered [out loud] whether that was because they’re so afraid of catching our theology rather than our passion for children’s work. Whatever the reason, it certainly doesn’t help to make us feel part of the family, although I daresay no other local church has as much success in children’s work. <br /><br />You see, as far as I’m concerned with regard to your above statement, we are growing forward into greater separation, and it’s some in the Diocese [some of whom are influential] who have made us feel so ‘apart’ and unwelcome. They have neither been nor exercised the ‘tolerance’ you are demanding right now in the cause of unity. Do you accept that possibility? Because even if only a fraction of what I said is true .. how can you possibly talk about building any other sort of ‘relationship’ .. because so far, we’ve failed abysmally at this one. There is more than a lack of honesty around all this Peter.<br /><br />It’s entirely possible that when the decision was taken to ordain women to all three offices, that most people didn’t realise that the corollary to that decision was that those who didn’t agree with all three offices, would no longer be welcome members of our church, but that IS the reality. I suspect at least some of the law makers recognised that possibility however, and with regard to our present day presenting issue, the same is true.<br /><br />Is that fair? Is that just? Is that tolerant? How can you ask for yet more tolerance, when so far, you [generic] are incapable of delivering tolerance to brothers and sisters who apart from that one small issue, ARE in agreement. I’m not at all sure you see the problem clearly Peter.<br /><br />RosemaryRosemary Behanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16631238218649271544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-9995606859807118512010-03-24T17:51:15.249+13:002010-03-24T17:51:15.249+13:00You have said this in many different ways in recen...You have said this in many different ways in recent days Peter, but here again .. “Like any marriage, our relationships with one another cannot stand still, we are either growing forward into greater oneness or growing apart towards separation.” <br /><br />I have tried to point out that families must have discipline, that some things are a ‘step too far’ .. and take you out of the family circle. That families must hold to their values even when sons or daughters disagree with those values. You on the other hand, either insist that a son or daughter cannot take a ‘step too far’ .. that for better or worse, they ARE part of the family, and CANNOT choose to cut themselves off from that family. Nor indeed can they take that ‘step too far’ and be denied a position in that family if they express a desire to remain in that family .. which puts the family in the invidious position of not being able to ‘stand’ for it’s expressed values. Am I correct so far in my understanding of what you are saying?<br /><br />Well now I want to get back to the very thing we have been discussing for well over two years now Peter. What about us? What about women and men who are so called complementarians? Are we considered part of the family? Do you take steps to make sure that egalitarians consider us to be part of the family? Why is our integrity questioned when we have worked for you without dispute for over 20 years? Why isn’t your [generic] integrity in question? If Evangelicals ACCEPT the local church down the road which is run along Liberal or Catholic lines, they just keep their heads down and do the work they believe the Lord has called them to .. then why are egalitarians/liberals/anglo catholics not told to welcome us as members who are ALSO doing the Lord’s work? <br /><br />We’ve had 20 years in this Diocese, and in that time, had little or NO help, nor encouragement from anyone except Bishop David to a small degree. Yet suddenly, AFTER he has announced his resignation, Wally has had invitations to speak. Why? Well it could be that Bishop Victoria Matthews does recognise some of the things the Lord has done through Wally .. or that others now recognise that Our Lord has blessed his work? But I suspect not, rather, now that he’s not going to be around, the Diocese want to re-write history and have the pleasure of recognising [owning] that work, which was in fact done without their help. It will be lip service only of course!! There’s a list of questions here Peter, here’s another. Why in the 20 years we have been a part of this Diocese, has my husband NEVER been asked to speak at anything .. and now he is? [continued]Rosemary Behanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16631238218649271544noreply@blogger.com