tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post101897759324761955..comments2024-03-29T17:55:30.203+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: The Politics of Jesus: the alt-world?Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-61333058992914914772017-07-11T08:45:29.303+12:002017-07-11T08:45:29.303+12:00HI Bowman
The arguments against appear to be out o...HI Bowman<br />The arguments against appear to be out of concern that the government/council would come to have control of the use of the cathedral in the future. (What such arguments have not elucidated here is that pre-earthquakes the cathedral received an annual grant from the cathedral for upkeep, a grant given on the basis of the cathedral's contribution to tourism etc in the city; but no worship control was imposed).<br /><br />Christchurch was, in 1850, an Anglican settlement, and thus it has a cathedral as the centrepiece of its central city Square. The cathedral is thus both history, architecture (linked to four other striking sets of neoGothic buildings in the inner city), spirituality (even atheists like to pop into it for a quiet moment) and, somehow, icon and maker of our identity as a city and a province. In this "world" state/church distinctions can be blurred in ways unknown to other cities; in this world passions for/against cathedral proposals are easily aroused (e.g. in the past when an external cafe/meeting space was added!); in this world private donors are willing to contribute millions to the continuation via reinstatement of the historic building.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-84500400139706237812017-07-11T04:20:49.883+12:002017-07-11T04:20:49.883+12:00"...some have argued that the Diocese should ..."...some have argued that the Diocese should eschew all government/council support..."<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />"...while I am arguing back that there is a case for thinking that the Diocese of Christchurch in the "world" of Christchurch..."<br /><br />What is it?<br /><br />BW Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-13800477253528181652017-07-10T19:06:17.825+12:002017-07-10T19:06:17.825+12:00I can relate to the bit in Stanley's article t...I can relate to the bit in Stanley's article that the church or the 'alternative' world will become more visible as perhaps the regular world is becoming unstuck in a multitude of areas. So long as we the church actively seek the Kingdom we represent.<br /><br />Can a politician be a Christian, well yes, yet no single Christian is ever an example of all that may be and each Christian's journey will be at a different point, politician or not. That notwithstanding you would hope that being a Christian would have some bearing on their integrity and carrying out of duties in public office. On judging another Christian, it was recently reading Corinthians when I struck the example of a church being hauled over the coals so to speak for allowing such behaviour to occur in their midst insinuating the instigators should have been long since sent packing. So is judging, a personal judgement as to where that person is with Christ? And is it alright to hold people accountable to certain behaviours and to take measures when they act in a way that is obviously in opposition to gospel values? Those last two are questions.<br /><br />As for Trump well he sends a few mixed messages about how he relates personally to Christianity. What he does is not demonstrable of an underlying faith. It reminds be of the verses in James, "17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead. 18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds." Personally I think it is a travesty that there was a desperate part of society in the US for whom Trump appeared attractive simply as you say Peter because he acknowledged them; even when at the time it was hard to conceive given Trumps persona that he would ever deliver what these people actually believed he would.<br /><br />Jeannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-15928636515510556742017-07-10T14:51:40.623+12:002017-07-10T14:51:40.623+12:00Hi Nick: indeed!
Hi Rhys: horns of a dilemma, rea...Hi Nick: indeed!<br /><br />Hi Rhys: horns of a dilemma, really, re each named politician: were they "fully and wholly" Christian in each moment of their exercise of political power? Say, "Yes" and there is explaining to do about (e.g.) invasion of Iraq; say "No" and one stands in judgment over a fellow Christian!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-42072184781346622742017-07-10T12:31:53.358+12:002017-07-10T12:31:53.358+12:00As I remember, Lange launched an attack on the ...As I remember, Lange launched an attack on the 'born again' label during his tenure; I don't think he made much of his Methodist roots as time went on. <br />RhysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-78897617619545015192017-07-10T07:48:03.183+12:002017-07-10T07:48:03.183+12:00Hi Peter; option (b) is tempting but probably an u...Hi Peter; option (b) is tempting but probably an unjustified and precious response for a Christian.<br /><br />Nick Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com