tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post2924897957988609551..comments2024-03-30T00:33:32.285+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Round Up for Labour DayPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-24416926258454164752010-10-25T21:19:08.357+13:002010-10-25T21:19:08.357+13:00"Micky" O'Rourke? Tolle, lege! (vel ..."Micky" O'Rourke? Tolle, lege! (vel modo 'lege' si i-pad non habes...) - it's P.J.! - and he's still funny after all these years, as only a rightwing ex-Rolling Stone writer could be. But for a somewhat deeper (and hardly pro-Republican) swinge at America's decline under Obama (and before), look at Mark Steyn's latest fusillade, on how America has become the world's leading debtor nation in under a generation, such that the INTEREST on US borrowing (from China) will soon be enough to pay for China's military expansion into - the Pacific. The Pacific a Chinese sea, eh? If Steyn is correct, the financial, economic and cultural rot is a lot deeper and more pervasive than we are willing to admit.<br /><br />As for Giles Fraser - thanks for the Labour Day laugh! Fraser's grasp of history is as shaky as his understanding of Reformation theology. He should stick to reading Nietzsche.<br /><br />Al M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-3448232714454446082010-10-25T20:41:59.717+13:002010-10-25T20:41:59.717+13:00Hi Howard,
Thanks for rising!
I see your point re ...Hi Howard,<br />Thanks for rising!<br />I see your point re liberalism; but at the time of the English Civil War was 'theological' liberalism and 'political' liberalism distinguishable?<br /><br />An ancient dialogue between 'conservative' and 'liberal' since the dawn of scriptural time? Could be. I certainly see signs in the OT of an ancient debate, e.g. between the Deuteronomist and the Chronicler, but whether that can fairly be described, without anachronism, as 'conservative' v 'liberal' is something to ponder.<br /><br />PJ O'Rourke: ranter, yes; wordsmith, yes; acute critic of democratic socialism and socialist democrats? Yes! I think in the midst of the rant and its excessive use of the word 'hate', O'Rourke maks an important point. Do those on the political left truly believe in prosperity for the citizens of their nation, and are they committed to principles which will create and nurture prosperity rather than foster dependency on the state? (There are other questions to ask in politics, such as asking those on the right whether they have something to offer those squashed by profiteering and heartless business practice.)Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81518799265180870092010-10-25T16:17:47.386+13:002010-10-25T16:17:47.386+13:00What did you find to like about Mickey Rourke'...What did you find to like about Mickey Rourke's rant, Peter? You say that he writes like the wind. I say he passes wind instead of writing. Was there anything in his string of accusations that has any evidential basis? Is you write like him, you would have no readers!Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-49201443188408741472010-10-25T16:07:40.877+13:002010-10-25T16:07:40.877+13:00OK, I will rise to your bait, Peter:- "I wond...OK, I will rise to your bait, Peter:- "I wonder if Howard Pilgrim (a commenter here) will note Fraser's belief that liberalism emerged from the English Civil War, not 1000 years ago." Giles Fraser, an excellent fellow who should be compulsory reading for all conservative Anglicans, and I are referring to two different things. His "liberalism" is an aspect of English politics, prominent since the Civil War. Mine is an aspect of the gospel transforming the life and faith of the church throughout its history, including at least the last 1000 years of Anglicanism - well before the Reformation, that is to say. <br /><br />N.B. You may not have noticed that in my previous comment, in the thread you refer to, I posit an essential dialogue between conservative and liberal theological streams going back to the dawn of the scriptural traditions. Is that worth a response?Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.com