tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post3553884794796792219..comments2024-03-28T22:29:52.666+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Why wary of Schori?Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-58867775141429695082010-06-28T21:55:14.865+12:002010-06-28T21:55:14.865+12:00Hi James,
My own personal knowledge of the situati...Hi James,<br />My own personal knowledge of the situation in the USA re departures is that <br />(a) not all are 'extreme right' <br />(b) priests and congregations have left TEC through their own assessment of the situation they have found themselves in, without foreign intervention assisting in the departure, but glad to find that other parts of the Anglican Communion are willing to offer episcopal oversight <br />(c) "squatters" is a derogatory term when we are talking about congregations consisting of people who have worshipped for many years in the building they now seek to continue to worship in <br />(d) in some cases reconciling solutions have been found which begs the question why so much litigation is going on.<br /><br />I hold no truck with homophobia, and in the case of ACNA it's development is towards independency from Anglican church overseas against which the accusation of homophobia is frequently brought.<br /><br />But the most important point in my post is that Anglican churches Down Under have an opportunity to learn from their North American counterparts, and the most important question I was asking was why the wariness Down Under about the visits. If some kind of backwards reasoning applies to the Primates of our respective churches, perhaps you would care to lay out your case with them!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-82727665878957530982010-06-28T18:13:04.425+12:002010-06-28T18:13:04.425+12:00Hi, James and thanks for your gracious words.
If y...Hi, James and thanks for your gracious words.<br />If you really imagine that "a true conservatism coexists quite well with the more liberal stream in true Anglican fashion" - well, I will refrain from offering a cephalo-proctological metaphor. You could also say that black and white co-existed quite well in ante-bellum Dixie. Which they largely did, if you're happy to accept abuse and subordination. It was those interfering Yankees with their border crossings....<br />Property laws are immensely complex and vary from state to state, and judges themselves have difficulty in coming to decisions - even before the status of the Dennis canon comes into play. So I would refrain from labeling people 'squatters' until true title is established.<br />Al MynorsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-13755875895142213632010-06-28T16:06:16.420+12:002010-06-28T16:06:16.420+12:00Your reasoning seems assbackwards to me and Mr.Myn...Your reasoning seems assbackwards to me and Mr.Mynors comments indicate where his head is stuck. No one has forced out the "conservative minority" from the Episcopal Church. In fact a true conservatism coexists quite well with the more liberal stream in true Anglican fashion. The extreme right has exited all on their own and as squatters have taken from the landlord and thus continue to lose in the US courts. The Anglican provinces which have interfered with the Episcopal Church have in large part been implicated in these divisions, obstructed our internal reconciliations and are apparently intent on foisting two Anglican provinces on US soil. You are right in not wishing such a division upon your Church (as overblown as that has been.) I am not informed about the Church of New Zealand but you are poorly informed as well about us if you think that your divisions are not your own or think you could handle them with more grace if someone came and occupied your house.<br />When that day comes you will have more to learn from the Presiding Bishop Shori than to fear her foisting our divisions upon you.<br /><br />Furthermore your sympathy is not placed with the victim but the perpetrators which prevents the wholeheartness of your reception of the US Primate, who is far too humble to characterize the relationship with the independent Australian and New Zealand churches as being in her pocket! Indeed the respect for the polity of the independent churches is at the operational heart of the Anglican communion and of the patience and restraint the Episcopal Church has exercised towards our wayward brothers and sisters in the interfering provinces who, not only by such interference(which is by far a greater threat to the Anglican communion) but more importantly by their persecution of their gay and lesbian minorities afflict the body of ChristJames Majorsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-79110277050256800132010-06-24T16:45:47.686+12:002010-06-24T16:45:47.686+12:00"But we especially cannot fathom why the turn..."But we especially cannot fathom why the turn of events through this decade has moved in the polarising and divisive direction it has taken..."<br /><br />"We cannot understand why our wealthy patients have died and your guttersnipes have lived."<br />Dr Ignaz Semmelweis understood perfectly well, and lost his job for his pains.<br />I'll spell it out. Tec has largely ceased to be Christian, and no amount of mummery and haberdashery can hide that fact.<br />Al MynorsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com