tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post4014459750573152480..comments2024-03-29T06:58:28.383+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: The Mark of the Beast (3/n) - Revelation as ProphecyPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81529347184248512222021-10-11T12:01:37.657+13:002021-10-11T12:01:37.657+13:00Joshua, from your comments I wonder whether you ar...Joshua, from your comments I wonder whether you are a part of the Destiny Church. It would useful to know so that we could use an appopriate lens to interpret your comments.<br /><br />Sadly, some people like yourself seem to be obsessed with 'End Times' which Jesus himself warned his followers about; that this was a question they should not be asking. God is in control and no living human being can guess God's providence on this particular matter. Regarding your comment about the COVID Vaccination programme here in Aoteroa/New Zealand, most thinking people feel we are being well served by a government which recognises the dangers of a population being unvaccinated. The science (made available to us through an omniscient God) is all leaning towards its provenance and capability of protecting people like you and me from the scourge of Covid.<br /><br />If it were possible for Non-Vaccers to be contained within a separate non-Vaccinated Community space, I, and most Kiwis, would be happy for you to offer protest. However, as this is not possible, it would be better, perhaps, if you could take care not to get close to anyone who wants, and is entitled, to remain COVID-free, without the fear of possible contaminated by you. Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-89302073912082011042021-10-07T05:57:32.849+13:002021-10-07T05:57:32.849+13:00Three thoughts.
(1) Because it is such a Judaic ...Three thoughts. <br /><br />(1) Because it is such a Judaic and right-brained book, the Revelation is a ferry back into other scriptures that get overlooked in our left-brained law-seeking, and a road forward to the risen Jesus's Way which leaned more toward wisdom and a revived gift of prophecy. In the East, the apocalyptic imaginary flourished for about a millennium, often engaging contemporary Jewish speculation, and has never altogether ceased. In the West, it was a current in most populist religion through the late middle ages and Reformation. If there is any topic on which modern churches were eccentrically isolated from all the rest, this is it.<br /><br />(2) Michel Foucault's book Discipline and Punish traces our societies' transition from a social order maintained by state terror-- eg whipping at the post and elaborate theatrical public executions under the Tudors-- to a newer one maintained by incentives for individuals to comply with somewhat independent institutions and bureaus lightly overseen by elected parliaments. That was the transition from the medieval world to the modern one.<br /><br />The populism of the alt right, including the anti-vaxers, is chipping away at this modern glue of compliance, much as the Peasants' Rebellion of the C16 rose up against the old glue of the sword. In a war mostly of words, crazy things believed and said are not failures of style or thought but the pointy ends of pitchforks. Left and right differ in their obsessions, but all peasants of postmodernity feel that the frisson of saying without shame what has been outre is a personal liberation from too much compliance.<br /><br />(3) Does the Bible say anything at all to civilians of secular states? Not as such. The Bible addresses individuals directly as humans, obliquely as musicians, gardeners, mothers, churchgoers, truckdrivers, voters, etc. So then, does the Holy Spirit speak through the Revelation about the glue of modern societies?<br /><br />St Paul's rather dry advice to be subject to the ruling authorities has been stretched to cover whole theories of statecraft, but neither he nor the other apostles envisaged a takeover of the empire that crucified the Lord, let alone the modern minuet of churches and nation-states. A bit of the Revelation may be about Nero, but none of it was to him. <br /><br />On the other hand, minor prophets of YHWH did reproach neighboring societies that mostly worshiped other gods. The later rabbis inferred from the story of Noah that even unbelieving peoples have a covenant with the Lord, albeit one much less exacting than their own. The fathers, notably St Augustine of Hippo, likewise theorised a distinction between church and state that is rarely challenged, if often breached, even today. They were more sure about what a church should be than about what a state should be.<br /><br />But as antiquity became Christendom and almost every person belonged to both the church and the state, the distinction between a disciple and a citizen faded from view, Hence the odd modern practice of exhorting unbelieving citizens to live as though they were regenerate disciples, even though there is no reason to think that they can or even should do this. And the postmodern populist idea that individuals can and should *as Christians* demand concessions from states.<br /><br />BWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-41420561004272112842021-10-04T21:54:06.639+13:002021-10-04T21:54:06.639+13:00yes I think we are definetlly in end times, earthq...yes I think we are definetlly in end times, earthquakes,fire, climate change. Bishop Brian Tamaki is right to discourage his flock from vaccination.The vaccination card could be see as a quasi mark of the Beast. Repent brothers.Jesus will soon return and sort the chaff from the hay.Joshuanoreply@blogger.com