tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post5409163723526703211..comments2024-03-29T17:55:30.203+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Don Mathieson responds to the Doctrinal Commission's reportPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-5617477672146526452014-05-03T11:59:27.873+12:002014-05-03T11:59:27.873+12:00Nicola, in answer to your question; I am not incli...Nicola, in answer to your question; I am not inclined to differentiate between two different sexualities as being of any importance to our common heritage in Christ. SO, I would be happy to say WE of all who belong to Christ in 'This Church'.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-3630129311327770972014-05-02T20:38:11.309+12:002014-05-02T20:38:11.309+12:00A suggestion for all people debating these issues ...A suggestion for all people debating these issues in the next week or two: whenever you talk about LGBT people, say "we" instead of "they", and then stop and ask yourself whether you want to be part of this church.Nicola Marshallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-50550826675866505052014-04-30T00:00:04.409+12:002014-04-30T00:00:04.409+12:00Right on, Caleb! My thoughts exactly!
Kurt Hill
B...Right on, Caleb! My thoughts exactly!<br /><br />Kurt Hill<br />Brooklyn, NYKurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-32600902887130664432014-04-29T22:50:18.691+12:002014-04-29T22:50:18.691+12:00There's no room for doubt about the theologica...There's no room for doubt about the theological stance of this latest critic of Ma Whea and the ACANZP's determination to address a deficit in justice towards LGBTI people in the church and in today's world. I guess, Peter, that's why you've taken the trouble to highlight it on your web-site.<br /><br />Fortunately, from my own point of view, this is I believe a minority view-point, seeking to maintain an outdated and unjust attitude towards Gay people, on a mistaken understanding of the etiology of homosexuality on the one hand, and of the need to encourage faithful, monogamous relationships between two people who love one another - to the exclusion of promiscuous affairs with other people.<br /><br />If we were to encourage say that of heterosexual couples, even conservatives in the Church would be clapping their hands. Why is it that intrinsically homosexual people who want to show the same commitment - to one other person - should be denied the privilege?<br /><br />At a time when even the Roman Catholic Pontiff is considering opening up the Church to divorcees and Gays, this 'Anglican' protest against a deep pastoral need being met in our Church seems niggardly, to say the least.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-42016336328117651452014-04-29T21:24:19.209+12:002014-04-29T21:24:19.209+12:00He makes a lot of quite dumb points in your excerp...He makes a lot of quite dumb points in your excerpt; the last paragraph is full of leaps of logic, over-simplification and false dichotomies. I don't think I'll read the rest.<br /><br />"There is no "marginalisation" here" - spoken like a true privileged person. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HVogejKx_c" rel="nofollow">There is no depression in New Zealand</a> either.Calebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619381698748105116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-47187343877861455302014-04-29T16:46:58.388+12:002014-04-29T16:46:58.388+12:00A lot hangs, Bosco, on the meaning of 'notorio...A lot hangs, Bosco, on the meaning of 'notorious'.<br /><br />One possibility is that the orthodox among us (of which, naturally, there are few apart from yourself and myself :) ) are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to those who claim they are not 'evil livers' while not going so far as to ascribe certainty to the proposal that their lives are so far from evil living that they ought to be blessed.<br /><br />This approach, incidentally, might help our brothers and sisters, the elders of the undoubtedly orthodox Calvin Community Church in Gore (see post above).Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-4056179750475380852014-04-29T16:32:54.853+12:002014-04-29T16:32:54.853+12:00Greetings Peter
As I understand it, the teaching ...Greetings Peter<br /><br />As I understand it, the teaching of our church is:<br /><br />"If among those who come to be partakers of the Holy Communion, the Minister shall know any to be an open and notorious evil liver, ... he shall advertise him, that he presume not to come to the Lord’s Table, until he have openly declared himself to have truly repented and amended his former evil life, that the Congregation may thereby be satisfied..."<br /><br />Please can you explain how these "Anglicans of orthodox persuasion" pick and choose between "orthodox approaches".<br /><br />Christ is Risen!<br /><br />Boscoliturgyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822769747947139669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-71317085081405340012014-04-29T12:38:40.574+12:002014-04-29T12:38:40.574+12:00Hi Bosco
It would be for Don to answer the questio...Hi Bosco<br />It would be for Don to answer the question as it pertains directly to a statement in his paper.<br /><br />My own understanding as I listen to folk who I assume are otherwise in general agreement with Don's paper is that invitation to communion is included.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-40962839695581347022014-04-29T12:29:49.426+12:002014-04-29T12:29:49.426+12:00Greetings Peter
Just so we all have "the pra...Greetings Peter<br /><br />Just so we all have "the practical and pastoral position adopted by Anglicans of orthodox persuasion correctly" - does being "welcomed in services of worship" and "no 'marginalisation' here" include them being invited and welcome to receive communion or not?<br /><br />Thanks in anticipation for that "orthodox approach ...accurately stated".<br /><br />Christ is Risen!<br /><br />Boscoliturgyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822769747947139669noreply@blogger.com