tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post5720262263055324316..comments2024-03-28T22:29:52.666+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Philip Jensen is wrongPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-20897932513520975572008-03-19T20:36:00.000+13:002008-03-19T20:36:00.000+13:00Well, I won't be going to Lambeth, so there.Well, I won't be going to Lambeth, so there.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02970238168875949105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-58303309768275483432008-03-19T19:25:00.000+13:002008-03-19T19:25:00.000+13:00I agree, Bill, that conciliation can avoid confron...I agree, Bill, that conciliation can avoid confronting the seriousness of apostasy etc. But it is difficult to confront apostasy when the apostates are in Kent and the confronters are in Judea! <BR/><BR/>I certainly hope that no evangelical bishop going to Lambeth will be satisfied with some compromising verbiage compatible with secularism as the outcome.<BR/><BR/>I acknowledge that the holding of GAFCON is a means of confronting current issues in the Communion. It is not, however, the only means available at this time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-74631820310160741042008-03-19T17:32:00.000+13:002008-03-19T17:32:00.000+13:00Yes, Peter, possibly, but is there not a danger th...Yes, Peter, possibly, but is there not a danger that efforts to conciliate will obscure the seriousness of the apostasy? My view is that too many Anglicans under poor, even deceptive leadership, are adopting the secular mind. The media feeds this as well. We become so dulled by the fine points of theology, so distracted by busy lives, that we simply prefer to go with the flow. At least Phillips Jensen’s confronting remarks cause need to polarize. If we’re so disinterested in living in Christ that we fall in behind the progressives because we don’t like his style, then there’s not much hope for us anyway.<BR/><BR/>It makes it so much easier to get along in the world without being singled out for criticism. But we’re called to be different, even though it will cost us. If it had not been for the willingness of Augustine, Tyndale, Cramner and many others being willing to hold to biblical truth where would we be now?Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12411451668428986820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-40589200367406867162008-03-19T17:04:00.000+13:002008-03-19T17:04:00.000+13:00(deleted in error from above - now reinserted with...(deleted in error from above - now reinserted without change)<BR/><BR/>I would agree with your point if I thought that:<BR/><BR/> a. There is a possibility that either the DNWC/TEC bishops of Canada and America may yet be persuaded of their error, or those who continue to uphold the 2,000 year understanding of the meaning of 1 Cor 6:9 will realign with the progressive view of the DNWC/TEC, or <BR/><BR/>b. There is a procedural need to make it clear one way or another by meeting as in Acts 15. <BR/><BR/>My understanding is that this has already been thoroughly worked through by all the parties, and with the assistance of modern communications the Acts 15 precedent has been fully satisfied.<BR/><BR/> I support the decision of ADS not to attend for three reasons: <BR/><BR/>1. It is clear to me that there is an unbiblical, progressive agenda held by DNWC/TEC of which the decision to appoint practising gay bishops is merely a symptom. <BR/><BR/>2. From the perspective of the secular media a stalemate between GAFCON and DNWC/TEC representatives at Lambeth would communicate confusion, when really the positions and consequences are very clear. <BR/><BR/>3. There is an urgent need to move on and tend the sheep. Lambeth would add expense and delay. GAFCON will provide leadership for biblical Anglicans.<BR/><BR/> I applaud and support Archbishop Peter Jensen and the ADS for the decisive, sensitive and loving leadership they have shown.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12411451668428986820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-36264032716932325582008-03-19T16:57:00.000+13:002008-03-19T16:57:00.000+13:00Hello BillI do not think I am much more hopeful th...Hello Bill<BR/><BR/>I do not think I am much more hopeful than you about where all this might lead, but I see Lambeth as 'one last chance'.<BR/><BR/>Would it be a stalemate if all GAFCON bishops turn up at Lambeth? I would like to think not, but I see conservatives losing any votes if the GAFCON bishops stay away.<BR/><BR/>I understand the Sydney decision, and certainly acknowledge individual bishops or groups of bishops making a judgement call about 'false teaching' and consequently deciding to withdraw fellowship.<BR/><BR/>To go on from that stance to call into question the judgement of fellow evangelicals who assess the situation regarding Lambeth differently is quite a call to make. The language Philip Jensen uses about those evangelical bishops who will go to Lambeth does little to enhance fellowship between evangelical Anglicans outside of Sydney and those within Sydney.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-42124152316413514322008-03-19T15:55:00.000+13:002008-03-19T15:55:00.000+13:00This comment has been removed by the author.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12411451668428986820noreply@blogger.com