tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post5809591714175717557..comments2024-03-30T00:33:32.285+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: There is one gospel, only one, because there is only one Jesus ChristPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-7697627677722872062010-08-20T13:21:06.853+12:002010-08-20T13:21:06.853+12:00I take it you are referring to my potential as a p...I take it you are referring to my potential as a poet, Peter. Any calling to the papist priesthood was long ago ruled out by my not having the gift of celibacy (not that that has stopped some of them...)Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-4419818430862542392010-08-20T09:19:58.046+12:002010-08-20T09:19:58.046+12:00Hi Howard,
You are coming dangerously close to a d...Hi Howard,<br />You are coming dangerously close to a declaration that you have missed your calling :)Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-28558324606861184402010-08-20T09:09:04.788+12:002010-08-20T09:09:04.788+12:00And then of course there is another aspect to this...And then of course there is another aspect to this discussion:-<br /><br />Benedict, the reigning pope in Rome,<br />Is inviting Anglo-Catholics to come home;<br />For,lacking magisteria,<br />All other churches are inferior,<br />And in the paths of error apt to roam.Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-20526638426846312482010-08-20T06:51:48.376+12:002010-08-20T06:51:48.376+12:00That's it, Howard! Clean out the tank of all t...That's it, Howard! Clean out the tank of all the murky water ... :)Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-19293168882158513352010-08-19T16:53:26.556+12:002010-08-19T16:53:26.556+12:00One further thought:-
A learned theologian I hold...One further thought:-<br /><br />A learned theologian I hold dear,<br />Found an answer to our problems very near:<br />When all the fish in his aquarium<br />Set up a magisterium<br />The waters in their tank stayed very clear.Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-82410444613759128572010-08-19T16:13:21.388+12:002010-08-19T16:13:21.388+12:00The right person every time, eh?
There was an arc...The right person every time, eh?<br /><br />There was an archbishop called Plumb<br />Whose faith was as broad as his bum,<br />ex cathedra he spake,<br />to all who would take<br />his opinions as gospel, ho hum.Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-45005587065513820332010-08-19T16:01:27.672+12:002010-08-19T16:01:27.672+12:00Hi Howard,
(1) I have a broad conception of that ...Hi Howard,<br /><br />(1) I have a broad conception of that one expression of life in Christ!<br /><br />(2) The failure of the magisterium of 500 years ago suggests it is more than timely that a new (and Anglican) model of magisterium is rolled out soon.<br /><br />(3) I am thinking of the way in which we Anglicans have ways and means of ensuring that the 'right person for the job' is selected or elected in respect of adhering to a presumed respectable, centrist, not too demanding theology and ecclesiology. The specs of this 'correct theology' are never written down, but they are as real as the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-29146519960759205712010-08-19T15:36:52.500+12:002010-08-19T15:36:52.500+12:00Hmmm indeed!
1. Only one expression of the meanin...Hmmm indeed!<br /><br />1. Only one expression of the meaning of the gospel and its implications for the world? Wow! Where has this amazing theological expression been then for the last 2000 years. (Don't say "scripture", please)<br /><br />2. Where was your magisterium 500 years ago, and how did it protect the one gospel from new expressions during the Reformation?<br /><br />3. New point:- are you dreaming? :)Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-81588450689173141012010-08-19T14:35:15.986+12:002010-08-19T14:35:15.986+12:00Hi Howard,
Umm, I do not think there can be more t...Hi Howard,<br />Umm, I do not think there can be more than one theology either, if by 'theology' we mean the expression of the meaning of the gospel and its implications for the world.<br /><br />And, it is not a question of one gospel legitimising anyone's magisterium, but of what magisterium will ensure the defence of one gospel against other gospels emerging.<br /><br />Why not have a magisterium which is clearly defined and easily recognised? There is a magisterium at work in Anglicanism, but it is shadowy, secretive, and difficult to challenge because it operates with nods and winks.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-14087737978549433992010-08-19T14:25:02.282+12:002010-08-19T14:25:02.282+12:00I will buy your central proposition, Peter, that t...I will buy your central proposition, Peter, that there is now and has only ever been one gospel, because there is only one Christ, with two careful provisos:<br />1. One gospel does not mean one theology.<br />2. The one gospel does not legitimise anyone's magisterium.<br /><br />Simple enough? :)Howard Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822571103485207143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-51202483372507054002010-08-19T12:56:47.087+12:002010-08-19T12:56:47.087+12:00Perhaps I am being naive here, Alison, but are you...Perhaps I am being naive here, Alison, but are you implying that the resolution of protestant difficulties over protestant troubles lies across the Tiber in Rome?Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-55771265933036159362010-08-19T11:03:41.278+12:002010-08-19T11:03:41.278+12:00You keep banging away at this approach over and ov...You keep banging away at this approach over and over from different directions. You are seeking something that protestantism, by its very essence, cannot offer you. It has been a problem from protestantism's very inception. Bang away at this all you like. Your approach leads logically to only one conclusion which it appears your prejudices cannot yet, and maybe never will be able to, accept.<br /><br />AlisonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com