tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post696288859469783612..comments2024-03-29T06:58:28.383+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Primatial Ministry in Lusaka and in Rome [UPDATED]Peter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-1160810371203226692016-04-11T19:20:26.152+12:002016-04-11T19:20:26.152+12:00Hi Nick
I should have put a "Smiley" in ...Hi Nick<br />I should have put a "Smiley" in there - am not actually offended!<br />But I am - as the days go by - highly interested in the "nuances" which the Douthats of the world of Catholic punditry are discerning in the document.<br />I am sure you are too!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-68075153150353987122016-04-11T19:04:28.731+12:002016-04-11T19:04:28.731+12:00Hi Peter, I didn't mean anything offensive by ...Hi Peter, I didn't mean anything offensive by the word soon. I have simply stated the official position on tradition and the magisterium, though I note that Ross Douthat to some extent answers us both. <br /><br />NickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-43111538579155221812016-04-11T11:51:26.420+12:002016-04-11T11:51:26.420+12:00"In certain cases, this can include the help ..."In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments. Hence, ‘I want to remind priests that the confessional must not be a torture chamber, but rather an encounter with the Lord’s mercy’ (Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium [24 November 2013], 44: AAS 105 [2013], 1038). I would also point out that the Eucharist ‘is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.'” - Pope Francis - <br /><br /> - Footnote to 'Amoris Laetitia - <br /><br />What wonderful accommodation of God's mercy and loving-kindnerss in the lives of SINNERS. This, surely, is what the Gospel of OLJC is really all about. It reminds us that to the merciful God will show mercy.<br /><br />Thank God for Pope Francis, who seems more disposed to the eirenic dispensation of mercy to a needy world than some Anglicans.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-57867027228185236112016-04-11T11:06:51.569+12:002016-04-11T11:06:51.569+12:00"He cannot change the magisterium and he has ..."He cannot change the magisterium and he has not done so. I can imagine the Germans will take liberties, but the label is still currently mortal sin." - Nick - <br /><br />Dear Nick, Roman Catholic conservatives must be very pleased that you continue to defend the presumed 'status quo' in the R.C. Magisterium. <br /><br />If, indeed, the R.C. Church is open to any new movement of the Holy Spirit in the world (in the maner of Pope John XXIII's pleas for 'semper refomanda') this must - in the course of time - affect the prnouncements from the 'Magfisterium'. One only needs to see how the forward-looking enterpirse of Galileo affected Roman Theology.<br /><br />I have little doubt that, 'ere long - because of local need - the Roman Catholic Church will dramtically alter its position on the prospect of married clergy. One only has to think of the acceptance of married priests working in the Church who were Anglican defectors on account of women clergy. If the 'Magisterium' were unalterable, per se, then would the Roman Catholic Church be moribund.<br /><br />"Behold, I am doing a New Thing!"Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-28744388839063420932016-04-11T06:10:51.108+12:002016-04-11T06:10:51.108+12:00Dear Nick
I disagree about the lack of evolution i...Dear Nick<br />I disagree about the lack of evolution in Catholic doctrine. Are unbaptised babies who die still destined for limbo? Once Mary was not immaculately conceived but then the stars of tradition and Magisterium (no, wait, not the Bible in this instance) aligned to evolve an evolving belief into an infallible doctrine. Indeed the Pope himself was once not understood to speak infallibly.<br /><br />I also assert my right to be gravely if not mortally (!!) offended by an implication of the word "soon" in your comment. I suspect you think I think "soon" in this context means "twenty years". Not at all. Let's resume our observations in 2216!<br /><br />As for the German bishops. Wouldn't it be more relevant to wonder what the NZ bishops will do with this statement and its curious footnote?Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-89785297173978255372016-04-10T22:55:43.673+12:002016-04-10T22:55:43.673+12:00Peter, tradition and the magisterium (nothing to d...Peter, tradition and the magisterium (nothing to do with majesty for non-Romans) do not evolve. The Spirit need not speak when the bible, tradition and the magisterium agree. Don't expect to hear from Him any time soon on same sex blessings or communion for the divorced. The Pope has written a pastoral non- binding document. He cannot change the magisterium and he has not done so. I can imagine the Germans will take liberties, but the label is still currently mortal sin. <br /><br />NickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-84342289639715864312016-04-10T07:31:02.859+12:002016-04-10T07:31:02.859+12:00"If I hear you call for 'justice' wit..."If I hear you call for 'justice' without bringing in the quality of 'mercy' much more, I will begin to think you unforgiven." - R.Behan -<br /><br />Well, thank God, Rosemary, that your understanding of God's forgiveness - certainly in my case - is quite far off the mark. If you could only imagine for a moment - God's forgiveness is far beyond our human understanding, just like our private 'knowledge of God'.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-4526399219367967702016-04-09T12:27:47.306+12:002016-04-09T12:27:47.306+12:00Father Ron, justice is ALWAYS tied up with mercy ...Father Ron, justice is ALWAYS tied up with mercy when you are a Christian. We are all sinners and deserve punishment, and yet God has mercy. If I hear you call for 'justice' without bringing in the quality of 'mercy' much more, I will begin to think you unforgiven.Rosemary Behanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11987628838945618258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-83077443206040522262016-04-09T11:18:57.943+12:002016-04-09T11:18:57.943+12:00Reflecting on this item, Peter, I do see where you...Reflecting on this item, Peter, I do see where you are making a favourable comparison between Canterbury and Rome - on the issue of pastoral leadership and accountability. However, from the ABC's statement to ACC16 Standing Committee, here is something of important difference:<br /><br />"The ACC is one of the ways in which the Communion is held together. It is made effective by the involvement of lay people, our main bulwark and defence against an unthinking clericalism."<br /><br />It must be said that, on occasions, 'clericalism' in both Communions can be a root cause of conservative back-lash against reform. This is why the ACC membership - including Lay-people - is so important. So often our discerning laity seem more attuned to the needs of common human justice and pastoral concern that us clerics.<br /><br />Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com