tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post7321298025061917221..comments2024-03-29T22:00:02.999+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: The power of the messagePeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-5118227642083577312016-10-21T12:00:39.489+13:002016-10-21T12:00:39.489+13:00Shawn, You don't have to convince me about th...<br />Shawn, You don't have to convince me about the correctness of Sola Scriptura, but you may have to justify to the RELIGIOUS POLICE of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, why you even have a Bible in your possession; if Hillary wins the election. She will continue Obama's push for the subjection of Western Nations to the control of the UN.and its objectives of Agenda 20/30.There ain't no room for Christianity in that obnoxious document.It is based on a eclectic mix of socialism and corporatism;where the newly created surfs in the West, will provide the finances to support the UN.Dictators in the under privileged Nations.<br /> Anyone who doubts that the Roman Catholic Church in America is not under threat by Clinton and her cohorts; needs to go to "virtueonline news" and read "Clinton camp disses Evangelical and Catholics in WikiLeaks Emails" by Mary Ann Mueller.<br />I say again, that this is the real WAR that Christians in the West face.Mueller points out that MOLES are being put into the Catholic Church to ferment an uprising and push gender issues.<br />And who is promoting this???? None other than John Podesta (Chairman of Hillary for President campaign) and Jennifer Palmiere (Hillary for President <br />campaign's communication director).In 2003 Podesta founded the liberal DC based think tank "Center for American Progress" (CAP).Who is now in the midst of CAP-none other than retired +Gene Robinson following his divorce from his "beloved" Mark Andrews.<br />On Feb 11th 2012,"Voices for Progress" President Sanford Newman,emailed Podesta about creating a "Catholic Spring", to bring a little democracy into the Church:"There needs to be a spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic Church".<br />Podesta is alleged to have responded by suggesting that:"We created Catholics In Alliance For The Common Good (CACG),to help Catholics into opposing Official Church Doctrine.Glen Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-3179573352516535452016-10-21T09:30:23.966+13:002016-10-21T09:30:23.966+13:00'Is Sola Scriptura a Protestant Concoction? A ...'Is Sola Scriptura a Protestant Concoction? A Biblical Defense of Sola Scriptura'<br /><br />http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/bahnsen.html<br /><br />'In Defense of Sola Scriptura'<br /><br />http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/content/Parchmentandpen/In-Defense-of-Sola-Scriptura.pdf<br /><br />'The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy'<br /><br />http://www.etsjets.org/files/documents/Chicago_Statement.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-33194947583206738212016-10-20T16:05:48.119+13:002016-10-20T16:05:48.119+13:00Hi Bryden,
Many hearty thanks,I am well known in t...<br />Hi Bryden,<br />Many hearty thanks,I am well known in the family for being a lousy Xmas shopper;but now have a couple of books for our shared library; where as Sir Tony would say, "I have a cunning Baldrick plan, where I can both give and receive at the same time".<br /><br />But all this issue, of which version of the Scriptures and where they should be read;will pale into insignificance when Obama and his ilk have pushed Agenda 20/30 through the UN. Agenda 20/30 deals with sustainability and social justice. He has stated in a UN. address in Sept. this year that Nations will have to give up much of their SOVEREIGN POWERS to the UN., if terrorism is to be defeated.The Roman Catholic Church in America has been put on notice,to come into line or be legislated against.<br /><br />The ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT of the UN.is not interested in which Bible Translation a Church uses,but which Bible/bible.I see no mention of the separation of the Church and the State in any of their literature;because under their DICTATORSHIP,the Church will conform to their humanistic, neo-Darwinism/cultural marxist doctrine. TEC has led the charge into this brave new world, and Canada now follows. Terrorism will be allowed to continue till the Christian Churches have been forced into conformity. UNESCO recently voted on a motion,which will become part of the education curriculum for schools.It states that the Jews have no historical association with the "MOUNT".<br /><br />This is the REAL WAR that the free West faces.It is being conducted against us by own politicians using our own money and assets to turn us into serfs.<br /><br />This is the re<br /><br />Glen Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-67501812631673034442016-10-20T14:20:15.514+13:002016-10-20T14:20:15.514+13:00Our Lord Himself has commanded bloody wars at time...Our Lord Himself has commanded bloody wars at times. In the OT He commanded the Israelite's to wage total war against the Canaanites and to take dominion over the land by force.<br /><br />"The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name." - Exodus 15:3<br /><br />"Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle" - Psalm 144:1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-24356823123973744282016-10-20T13:58:43.136+13:002016-10-20T13:58:43.136+13:00"The Latin Church was not sole custodian of t..."The Latin Church was not sole custodian of the Bible and in fact the Latin version is a translation"<br /><br />All versions are translations, including the Orthodox versions. The original languages of Scripture were Biblical Hebrew and common Greek. Orthodox churches have translated them both into other languages. In the English speaking world Orthodox churches are developing or using English language translations.<br /><br />"The reformation Shawn was a bloody and violent time - you cannot airbrush this away"<br /><br />So what? I don't see the relevancy of that to the issue we are debating. That issue is whether or not the Protestant Reformers were right, not the issue of the wars which resulted from the Reformation.<br /><br />The schism in the Russian Orthodox church over the reforms introduced by Patriarch Nikon and the splitting away of the Old Believers led to tortures and executions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-90536781513198376622016-10-20T13:42:19.109+13:002016-10-20T13:42:19.109+13:00What a delightful and curious thing providence is!...What a delightful and curious thing providence is!<br /><br />Here we are focusing on Acts 20 and “the power of the message”; and then folk get all tied up re the Church and the canon and the Bible and the priority of which and what versus the other and others ... And along comes the latest edition of <i>IJST</i> (International Journal of Systematic Theology), to which I have subscribed since its inception, and of which John Webster was a founding editor. And this October, vol.18/4, edition has a powerful <i>In Memoriam</i> article on Webster by Ivor Davidson (sometime of Otago Uni, and until recently a colleague of the late Webster at St Andrews) heading up the journal. And why mention all this?<br /><br />Well; in the first place, Ivor correctly observes that John Webster was “probably the most gifted Anglican theologian of his generation.” Two key components of his entire approach to theology are relevant to this thread. Firstly, his attention to the triune God of the economy of grace, where this God is preeminently the One who personally communicates himself through this economy; and as such, we need to be wary of false forms of mediation which have over the centuries cropped up to usurp the absolute sovereignty and freedom of this Lord of Grace. And then secondly, and right on the heels of this absolute first step, is this second step regarding Holy Scripture, and how we in the church may duly recognise these Scriptures as both the singular witness to and the unique instrument in the saving economy of the triune God, and so as “the divinely appointed servant” (after John Webster) of this economy.<br /><br />For those who wish to explore the rationale of these two key steps (and much more), a good place to start is Webster’s <i>Holy Scripture: A Dogmatic Sketch</i>. Current Issues in Theology (Cambridge University Press, 2003)—which I have to say is an absolute classic on the entire matter, and in a mere 144 pages. Then subsequently there’s <i>The Domain of the Word: Scripture and Theological Reason</i> (T&T Clark, 2012). An awful lot of heat might be dissipated and a large degree of light shed, if we were to duly attend to these things as John Webster did.Bryden Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15619512328964399016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-51764688714129809522016-10-20T13:42:16.933+13:002016-10-20T13:42:16.933+13:00"So, God doesn't need human beings to bri..."So, God doesn't need human beings to bring about God's plan of salvation for the world, then?"<br /><br />Need? No. But He does use them to bring it about. I was not taking human beings out of the picture, but pointing out that God is in charge, not the human beings, or the church.<br /><br />"Whatever happened to God's gift of free-will in this strange theology"<br /><br />The Protestant Faith is a strange theology? That would make the Anglican church a strange theology, as classical Anglicanism affirms the Divine inspiration of Scripture.<br /><br />God is sovereign. He uses the free will of human beings to bring about His sovereign purposes.<br /><br />"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16<br /><br />"For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-63763341133730624192016-10-20T12:31:02.481+13:002016-10-20T12:31:02.481+13:00"Yes, but the one Church to me does not exclu...<i>"Yes, but the one Church to me does not exclusively correspond to any particular tradition or denomination."</i> <br /><br />I didn't say it did Shawn <br /><br /><i>"All of the writers were inspired by God so that all of Scripture is God's Word."</i><br /><br />That is not my mode of expression but yes of course. I would say God and his will are revealed in the Scripture<br /><br /><i>"The reason I have my Bible, and in English, is because God preserved it through the ages, and the Protestant Reformers wrenched it out of the hands of the Roman ecclesiastical authority."</i><br /><br />The Latin Church was not sole custodian of the Bible and in fact the Latin version is a translation<br /><br />The Custodian of the original version of the Scriptures in its original language is the Greek Church and it is still held as it was in the time of the Apostles<br /><br />And even in the now protestant areas of Europe the Latin version was translated into the vernacular very early in the history of Christianity - perhaps not in its entirety but the Gospels and the <br />psalms as well as other books used in Liturgical settings were<br /><br />The issues over translating scripture into vernacular in the West only appeared after the Great Schism and after the fall of Constantinople.<br /><br />The reformation Shawn was a bloody and violent time - you cannot airbrush this away - The Christians of Western Europe Catholic and Protestant alike behaved like ISIS towards each other. The thirty years war was a horror that wiped out 2/3s of central Europe's population<br /><br />And Protestant reformers not only dismembered Catholics but they burned each other as well<br /><br />Why did this happen? I don't know. Why did God allow it? I don't know that either -but as warned in the Scriptures the wolves got amongst the flock - but as also promised in the Scriptures the Church survived Andreinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-46479749485547151272016-10-20T12:18:50.467+13:002016-10-20T12:18:50.467+13:00"No, the Church merely confirmed the Canon th..."No, the Church merely confirmed the Canon that already existed. The Holy Spirit determined the canon."<br /><br />So, God doesn't need human beings to bring about God's plan of salvation for the world, then? One wonders why Jesus even bothered to become human! Especially when it was by the human being, Jesus, that humanity has been redeemed.!!!<br /><br />Whatever happened to God's gift of free-will in this strange theology - that belongs to the School of Automatic Writing?Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-64248431026612904412016-10-20T11:26:15.429+13:002016-10-20T11:26:15.429+13:00"There is only one Church Shawn - everyone wh..."There is only one Church Shawn - everyone who comes to it comes by their own path"<br /><br />Yes, but the one Church to me does not exclusively correspond to any particular tradition or denomination. <br /><br />"Our Scriptures have a variety of books with different authors writing at different times"<br /><br />All of the writers were inspired by God so that all of Scripture is God's Word.<br /><br />"It was the Church (working through the Holy Spirit we believe) that determined the Canon."<br /><br />No, the Church merely confirmed the Canon that already existed. The Holy Spirit determined the canon.<br /><br />"Most Christians who ever lived never had their own Bible Shawn"<br /><br />This was not a good thing. They may have grown in the faith, but over time that faith became corrupted, and the people were led into grave errors such as purgatory, praying to dead human beings, and the turning of the mother of Jesus into a quasi- pagan goddess.<br /><br />"The reason why you have your Bible is the Church preserved and guarded it through the ages"<br /><br />The reason I have my Bible, and in English, is because God preserved it through the ages, and the Protestant Reformers wrenched it out of the hands of the Roman ecclesiastical authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-66710342399121963772016-10-20T09:46:52.937+13:002016-10-20T09:46:52.937+13:00"The burning of Bible translations .............<br />"The burning of Bible translations ...........,I suppose for political rather than theological reasons though I guess the two were tangled back then-maybe they still are now."Andrei-above.<br /><br />They certainly are !!!!Except that politics has become a false Religion and they do not wish to get rid of "Bible translations" but the Bible itself.They want the Church to read from the book of the UN.as is happening in TEC.<br />It all starts with challenging the AUTHORITY OF THE SCRIPTURES;and very quickly becomes the teaching of a false doctrine.This doctrine is man made ideologies on sustainability and social justice and can only be blessed by the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.In part it is known as "AGENDA 20/30. The question is,do we wish for the ACANZP to become a denomination of that false church?Glen Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-89458911981373312292016-10-20T08:45:57.267+13:002016-10-20T08:45:57.267+13:00"Yes, I am looking at you St Thomas More!&quo...<i>"Yes, I am looking at you St Thomas More!"</i><br /><br />He was a politician not a priest. A politician at a time when politicians didn't get voted out of office but rather lost their heads :) <br /><br />The Bible was translated into Anglo Saxon in earlier times, there was nothing sacrosanct about Latin - Of course Anglo Saxon would probably be more arcane than Latin or Greek to a modern English speaker - but I'm sure that English Bibles would have come one way or another - things were just messy in the 16th century, I'm glad I didn't live then<br /><br /> The burning of bible translations was a late medieval early renaissance thing in England, I suppose for political rather than theological reasons though I guess the two were tangled back then - maybe they still are now. <br /><br />Thomas More must be confusing to you since the Church of England recognizes him as a saint :) <br /><br />All of this is why I suggest the Bible needs to be read through the Church - translations are controversial because languages don't translate precisely and people interpret words differently<br /><br />Just like Shawn did when I used <i>"charismatic"</i> earlier in this thread - it meant something different to him than it did to me Andreinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-3567454459837931362016-10-20T08:15:41.180+13:002016-10-20T08:15:41.180+13:00Huh! More Protestant revisionism :)
NickHuh! More Protestant revisionism :)<br /><br />NickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-91341517195354642072016-10-20T07:31:57.866+13:002016-10-20T07:31:57.866+13:00Hi Andrei
I think the reason why commenters here a...Hi Andrei<br />I think the reason why commenters here are reading the Bible in English is because some folk wrenched the Bible out of the control of the priestly power of the church, a priestly power which was prepared to hunt down and execute those who would translate it from the Latin.<br /><br />Yes, I am looking at you St Thomas More!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-18688667759128273992016-10-20T07:14:34.158+13:002016-10-20T07:14:34.158+13:00Dear Ron
Yesterday you twice offered comments whic...Dear Ron<br />Yesterday you twice offered comments which IMHO were a dig at one or more commenters here.<br />No.<br />I am not going down the path of time spent untangling an unnecessary brouhaha.<br />Regards<br />Peter Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-55897043116453282692016-10-20T07:04:57.612+13:002016-10-20T07:04:57.612+13:00There is only one Church Shawn - everyone who come...There is only one Church Shawn - everyone who comes to it comes by their own path<br /><br />Muslims believe the Quran was dictated to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel <br /><br />Our Scriptures have a variety of books with different authors writing at different times<br /><br />It was the Church (working through the Holy Spirit we believe) that determined the Canon, that which should be included and that which while worthy perhaps shouldn't<br /><br />Most Christians who ever lived never had their own Bible Shawn - most couldn't read and through most of Christian history books were very expensive<br /><br />They grew in Faith through the Church, learned the scriptures through the Church <br /><br />The reason why you have your Bible is the Church preserved and guarded it through the agesAndreinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-46189553200138489732016-10-19T22:04:34.096+13:002016-10-19T22:04:34.096+13:00Hi Andrei
"My point is this The Bible is the...Hi Andrei<br /><br />"My point is this The Bible is the Book of the Church and should be read with the Church"<br /><br />I have no problem reading the Bible with the Church, but it does beggar the question of which church. And I don't think doing so requires liturgy, not that there is anything wrong with liturgy, I just don't see it as a an absolute necessity. However, I disagree that the Bible is the book of the Church, if I understand you correctly. It is God's book. That God's Word stands in judgement over all churches is something the Protestant Reformation got right.<br /><br />"It is easy by cherry picking verses to make cases for anything you want and this has been done through the ages "<br /><br />It can yes, but that can happen in any church. I pointed out further up that liberal/progressive churches are usually liturgical, and read the Bible with the Church in that sense, but that does not stop cherry picking.<br /><br />"There are preachers who have made themselves rich in earthly goods"<br /><br />Yes, and that has been happening since day one in the Church, and in all types and all denominations. It happens in Protestant, RC and Orthodox churches. That's just human nature. Its not a good thing obviously, but it's not exclusive to Evangelical or Pentecostal churches. Nor is it the norm in either.<br /><br />Honestly I am not entirely sure what your point is here. If it is a critique of non liturgical Protestant churches, I am not convinced it works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-53821450950858006182016-10-19T21:32:53.299+13:002016-10-19T21:32:53.299+13:00Hi Andrei
Sorry but I am not happy with two senten...Hi Andrei<br />Sorry but I am not happy with two sentences in your comment below ... they may be true but I don't think they are helpful.<br />P<br /><br />""Anyway, as you say this is getting off topic, so this is my last comment on the issue.<br /><br />[]<br /><br />My point is this The Bible is the Book of the Church and should be read with the Church<br /><br />It is easy by cherry picking verses to make cases for anything you want and this has been done through the ages <br /><br />Jehovah's Witnesses will take a verse from a Psalm then another from Revelations and then flick to an Epistle to build a narrative for example<br /><br />There are preachers who have made themselves rich in earthly goods, turned the Gospel into a business - and don't those who hate the Church leap for joy when such get caught with "rent boys"<br /><br />It is all very confusing for us living in a post Christian world filled with inane babble <br /><br />But we have the Church to guide us c.f. Acts 8:26-40<br /><br />We need more than the Bible though - it is a Book<br /><br />You can read all the books on welding ever written but you still wont be able to weld - you need to do it<br /><br />So we need more than the Bible, it is our guide with the Church and our worship in the Church - that is the bigger picture<br /><br />I think we live in a society that has turned its face away from God and that a judgement is about to fall on us - that's what I think<br />"Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-35830903509491164872016-10-19T21:18:54.923+13:002016-10-19T21:18:54.923+13:00Just coming back to the blog post:
I suppose the ...Just coming back to the blog post:<br /><br />I suppose the message of God's grace, Christ crucified and risen, was what the Apostles spent their life witnessing to. I suppose this message is also present in the sacraments of Baptism and Communion if understood (and perhaps they cannot be understood without first hearing the message). And I suppose scripture being, "God breathed through the Holy Spirit"... witnesses to this same message. I suppose when the Holy Spirit reveals the word directly to someone the same message is also being told.<br /><br />I know lots of suppositions!<br /><br />As for needing both the working of the Spirit in us and the knowledge of the Grace of God through Jesus, "the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and Truth."Jeannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-9228218977445923942016-10-19T19:37:20.213+13:002016-10-19T19:37:20.213+13:00Peter, if US Catholics vote democrat (and Hispanic...Peter, if US Catholics vote democrat (and Hispanic Catholics might on the whole ), it doesn't suggest they have sidelined church teaching. It could just as easily mean that they are scared of Republicans and anti-immigration. Nor does it follow that traditional Catholics (who prefer Trent to V2) are like "high" Anglicans. Trads (most of whom are in communion with Rome) don't warm to the Protestant solas, but they criticise the writings of liberal Cardinals. Rorate Caeli is a good example. In fact, today's Rorate Caeli has a link to a 1 hour session on demonic spirits . Hardly a topic for the unity in diversity crowd.<br /><br />NickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-74824620818582539992016-10-19T19:11:33.510+13:002016-10-19T19:11:33.510+13:00Getting back to the theme of God and the message o...Getting back to the theme of God and the message of His grace, while I agree that this is a reference to Scripture, it also points back to God Himself. God is the gospel.<br /><br />Baptist minister John Piper has this to say about the nature the good news: "The gospel of Jesus and his many precious blessings are not ultimately what makes the good news good, but means of seeing and savoring the Savior himself. Forgiveness is good because it opens the way to enjoying God himself. Justification is good because it wins access to the presence and pleasure of God himself. Eternal life is good because it becomes the everlasting enjoyment of Jesus.<br /><br />All God’s good gifts are loving to the degree that they lead us to God himself. This is the love of God: doing everything necessary, most painfully in the death of his Son, to enthrall us with what is most deeply and durably satisfying—namely, himself."<br /><br />http://www.desiringgod.org/books/god-is-the-gospel<br /><br />I'm not a Calvinist myself, as Piper is, but I found the book 'God is the Gospel' insightful, and it is worth reading. Piper has made it available in pdf form for free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-26877054756935840832016-10-19T18:04:58.560+13:002016-10-19T18:04:58.560+13:00"but who do you think is behind the "NGO..."but who do you think is behind the "NGO" the "the Humanitarian Law Center"<br /><br />It is primarily one of George Soros' babies"<br /><br />It was founded in 1992 by a Serbian women, Nataša Kandić. Soros may well fund it now, but it's not his baby, or a front for the CIA.<br /><br />"And I'll tell you something else Shawn they even use "Christian" Missions as fronts to turn people against their own Governments and destabilize civil society and that should send chills down your spine"<br /><br />It would if I thought it was a credible claim. I don't.<br /><br />"The wolves are out there Shawn and we live in dangerous times which is why sometimes I use terms like the anti-Christ"<br /><br />The "wolves" you talk about always just happen to be Western or American. That is why I chose the examples of Russian and Serbian churches also doing bad things. To provide some balance.<br /><br />"smearing your fellow Christians"<br /><br />Like this?<br /><br />"they even use "Christian" Missions as fronts to turn people against their own Governments"<br /><br />Or calling the US "Godless"?<br /><br />And it's not smearing when it's true. The role of Serbian churches in the genocide is well documented. As was the role of Russian Orthodoxy in the pogroms against Jews.<br /><br />Evil does not reside exclusively in the West Andrei.<br /><br />Anyway, as you say this is getting off topic, so this is my last comment on the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-58650950427936627322016-10-19T16:59:10.567+13:002016-10-19T16:59:10.567+13:00"And before the usual "Western propagand...<i>"And before the usual "Western propaganda" claim is made, the Humanitarian Law Center is a Serbian NGO."</i><br /><br />We are getting off topic Shawn but who do you think is behind the <i>"NGO"</i> the <i>"the Humanitarian Law Center"</i><br /><br />It is primarily one of George Soros' babies <br /><br /><i>"NGOs"</i> are fronts that are set up in other peoples countries to undermine them and destroy them. Many of them are funded directly by the CIA such as <i>"THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY"</i><br /><br />And I'll tell you something else Shawn they even use "Christian" Missions as fronts to turn people against their own Governments and destabilize civil society and that should send chills down your spine<br /><br />Foreign <i>"Christian"</i> missionaries can be just as dangerous as Salafist preachers to the well being of Sovereign nations<br /><br />The wolves are out there Shawn and we live in dangerous times which is why sometimes I use terms like the anti-Christ<br /><br />The Anglican Church needs to restore itself as the authentic voice of Christ in these lands and bring people back into the fold - smearing your fellow Christians using sources set up funded by those who hate Christ and his Church is not the way to do it<br /><br />The destroyed churches of Kosovo, some of them built before Christopher Columbus discovered America, should tell you all you need to know about whose purpose is really being served<br /> Andreinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-25421709345162925352016-10-19T14:46:10.992+13:002016-10-19T14:46:10.992+13:00"Don't slander the Orthodox Church Shawn&..."Don't slander the Orthodox Church Shawn"<br /><br />'A convicted war criminal who burned alive scores of Bosniak civilians and systematically tortured and raped Bosniak women and under-age girls enjoys the uncritical endorsement of the Serbian Orthodox Church.<br /><br />The Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade reports that the Serbian Orthodox Church has hosted a book launch at the parish house of the Cathedral of St. Sava in Belgrade to promote a prison memoir, “Ispovest haškog sužnja” (“Testimony of a Hague prisoner”). The book’s author is the convicted war criminal Milan Lukić — a ruthless mass murderer and serial rapist.'<br /><br />https://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.co.nz/2011/08/serbian-orthodox-church-endorses-war.html<br /><br />And before the usual "Western propaganda" claim is made, the Humanitarian Law Center is a Serbian NGO.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_Law_Center<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-53978870269152947442016-10-19T14:35:14.393+13:002016-10-19T14:35:14.393+13:00Getting back to Brendan's point, more evidence...Getting back to Brendan's point, more evidence can be found from voting patterns. Despite being the party of social liberalism, on many issues such as gay marriage, abortion, and euthanasia, practicing Catholics tend to vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats. This suggests that the moral teaching of the RC is being ignored and sidelined by most Catholic voters. I don't buy the claim that this arises from a concern for social justice and poverty, as the Dem's don't have a remotely good track record on that issue. (And in the current election they have abandoned the poor and working class in favor of global capitalism)<br /><br />And in the Anglican Communion there is a discernible pattern with liturgy; the more high church a parish is, the more likely it is to be liberal on moral issues, and theology.<br /><br />I think there is a good argument to be made that when a church is in submission to the Bible as it's supreme authority, that is, when it is Sola Scriptura, not just in theory, but in the hearts and lives of the congregation, then this generally tends to a stronger grounding in Biblical morality.<br /><br />Note that I say generally. There are always exceptions to the rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com