tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post8838867844737025832..comments2024-03-29T17:32:49.778+13:00Comments on Anglican Down Under: Zero to heroPeter Carrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-64878023514749343152013-03-27T06:02:32.717+13:002013-03-27T06:02:32.717+13:00Hi Ron et al
Whether we think of this blog as Ang...Hi Ron et al<br /><br />Whether we think of this blog as Anglican, Christian or both in character, it is a blog for all willing to read it, and where comments are welcome from all when they are comments on posts, on the substance of other comments, or perhaps on other matters, including cricket.<br /><br />What are not welcome are comments which are comments on other commenters. <br /><br />Increasingly I am realising that such ad hominem comments are not far removed from comments on other people (the Pope, liberals, gays, conservatives, English cricketers, etc). Expect further crackdowns!<br /><br />The problem from a moderation point of view is that generally no one here comments in a purely ad hominem way, raging against another human being. Rather, quite erudite and civilised comments about issue X or topic Y include one sentence, or even a half-sentence about commenter Z ... and therein lies the trouble!<br /><br />So if we could tighten up, but principally if I as moderator could spot those half-sentences more quickly ... but I am moving from the grace of editing such comments to the law of hitting the Delete button.<br /><br />Anyway, all commenters welcome; but ad hominems are excluded. Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-31120922883845551462013-03-26T22:29:10.435+13:002013-03-26T22:29:10.435+13:00Peter, those of us in the ACANZP who perhaps have ...Peter, those of us in the ACANZP who perhaps have a different slant on spirituality from your own (except where it really matters) - and that of the majority of your current correspondents, want you to know that we are grateful for your gracious hosting on your blog.<br /><br />We would want to defend you against those who want you to foster only (their) like-minded theological speculation - believing that, as a diocesan Educator, you are able to value the contributions of those from whom you may differ; and you host your blog accordingly.<br /><br />Thank you for your gracious hospitality. If ever you think that outside opinions are not welcome here, I would gladly (albeit, sadly) give way to those whose opinions coincide with your own.<br /><br />I am very much aware that many of your commenters are disposed to call my posts 'ad hominem', and I'm sad about that, and herewith, sorry to have caused grave offence. However, I have noted that these same people who moan about my 'orneryness' are not immune from offering 'ad hominem' themselves.<br /><br />For your (and their) peace of mind, I will not be posting further until after Easter. That's if you will have me! The Peace of Christ be with you this Paschal-tide<br /><br />Yours, en Christo, Ron.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.com.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-20852970026521602802013-03-26T22:14:02.271+13:002013-03-26T22:14:02.271+13:00Peter, I think we get a clue to Jesus' teachin...Peter, I think we get a clue to Jesus' teaching about his death from the Acts of the Apostles. Luke's gospel leaves us with that tantalising account on the road to Emmaus, where Jesus begins with the Law and the Prophets to explain the Scriptures about himself to the two disciples on the road. We then find the apostles in Acts explaining God's purposes in Jesus' death from Psalms 2, 10, 116, 118, and Dt 18. We are meant to deduce that these are the very passages Jesus used to explain his death and resurrection. Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-18890382080070682002013-03-26T20:17:45.749+13:002013-03-26T20:17:45.749+13:00Yes, MichaelA, and that unrestrained hope on my pa...Yes, MichaelA, and that unrestrained hope on my part has been soundly disciplined with the visitation of a "draw" upon our team!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-14735828029143679692013-03-26T20:02:18.467+13:002013-03-26T20:02:18.467+13:00"Approaching Good Friday we observe that the ..."Approaching Good Friday we observe that the theological meaning of the death of Jesus, elucidated through Paul's writings and the Epistle to the Hebrews, scarcely impacts on the gospel narrative. Presumably the historical Jesus said very little about the meaning of his death and, remarkably, the gospels are faithful to Jesus when it must have been tempting to put words in his mouth."<br /><br />I agree, sort of, but would observe that Jesus taught a great deal about the meaning of his death in the three years leading up to Holy week, and he also taught a lot about it after his resurrection. <br /><br />We are not told the content of most of the latter teaching, but it is reasonable to assume that it greatly influenced the Apostles' teaching, since they were the recipients of it. MichaelAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-17291969354786273022013-03-26T19:59:53.542+13:002013-03-26T19:59:53.542+13:00Peter, I am unimpressed that you yourself have &qu...Peter, I am unimpressed that you yourself have "inhibited the free flow of exchange around ideas" by presenting us with sweeping statements in an authoritarian take-it-or-leave it fashion. To wit:<br /><br />"NZ stands on the verge of a great win. ..."<br /><br />Next you will be asserting that the Crusaders are flogging their opponents in South Africa, and other absolutist claims. MichaelAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-53504777930740225742013-03-26T19:54:38.300+13:002013-03-26T19:54:38.300+13:00I thought you would reply that way. The triumph of...I thought you would reply that way. The triumph of hope over experience. You will have the same problem in two weeks' time.<br /><br />Martin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-29090276915903551132013-03-26T19:49:54.890+13:002013-03-26T19:49:54.890+13:00You haven't seen the comments I have deleted, ...You haven't seen the comments I have deleted, Joshua!<br /><br /><br />Point taken!!!!!!!!<br /><br />:)Joshua Bovishttp://creideamhamhain.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-46726779011533836062013-03-26T19:34:09.698+13:002013-03-26T19:34:09.698+13:00Hi Martin
I am responsible for the comments which ...Hi Martin<br />I am responsible for the comments which make it through moderation. I do not always get it right and clearly here I have gotten it wrong!<br /><br />I am not going to ban Ron per se but if Ron is reading this, the noose is getting tighter re "ad hominem" comments. And now I am also watching out for comments which otherwise stifle and inhibit the free flow of exchange around ideas!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-52636608640371934502013-03-26T19:21:16.315+13:002013-03-26T19:21:16.315+13:00Peter, you create a rod for your own back and ther...Peter, you create a rod for your own back and thereby prevent serious evangelical discussion getting underway. This is a great shame (and entirely unnecessary and self-inflicted), since evangelical Anglicans in NZ need a good forum for mutual edification and instruction in a church in SERIOUS decline. I like to hear what Shawn and Bryden have to say, but give up once the infantile and tiresome remarks from the peanut gallery begin.<br />I do not inflict myself on Mr Smith's blog or on 'Thinking Anglicans'. Why do you inflict him on us? <br />MartinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-91837953278743928882013-03-26T19:03:58.220+13:002013-03-26T19:03:58.220+13:00You haven't seen the comments I have deleted, ...You haven't seen the comments I have deleted, Joshua!<br />Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-85792016810220861992013-03-26T18:51:22.969+13:002013-03-26T18:51:22.969+13:00Once again Ron hijacks blog.
And once again Peter...Once again Ron hijacks blog.<br /><br />And once again Peter, you let him!?Joshuahttp://creideamhamhain.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-64405066348604065442013-03-26T17:48:50.000+13:002013-03-26T17:48:50.000+13:00Further correspondence here on David and Jonathan,...Further correspondence here on David and Jonathan, etc, or on who is misrepresenting whom will not be accepted.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-7805788829646006422013-03-26T17:20:40.507+13:002013-03-26T17:20:40.507+13:00You're putting words into my mouth again, Shaw...You're putting words into my mouth again, Shawn, Please desist from this appalling misrepresentation.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.com.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-48350555127194424722013-03-26T14:13:19.759+13:002013-03-26T14:13:19.759+13:00The claim that David and Jonathan were likely gay ...The claim that David and Jonathan were likely gay is ludicrous. Apart from displaying an appalling lack of understanding of Middle East male culture, the idea that because David and Jonathan loved each other this must mean they were "gay" is a purely modern Western liberal prejudice, and insulting to men in general.<br /><br />If I love my brother, my dad, or my son, does that make me gay?<br /><br />Of course not! Then why if two men have a deep and loving friendship does that HAVE to be gay? <br /><br />This is pure political propaganda, not Biblical exegesis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-71186934426939651192013-03-26T13:57:08.174+13:002013-03-26T13:57:08.174+13:00"It really is time some people grew up and ac..."It really is time some people grew up and accepted the fact that God made them male and female - and all sorts of people in between."<br /><br />Two problems.<br /><br />One. WE ARE NOT CHILDREN RON.<br /><br />Merely because we disagree with you dies not make us immature children.<br /><br />STOP the Ad Hominem Ron, it will only end in tears.<br /><br />Secondly, Jesus said God made men and women. Full stop.<br /><br />Please show us where Jesus says "male and female - and all sorts between."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-62898184762971303222013-03-26T13:49:37.928+13:002013-03-26T13:49:37.928+13:00Just more ad hominem.
I actually read the article...Just more ad hominem.<br /><br />I actually read the article and it presents a number of reasonable, though certainly debatable, points.<br /><br />Ron fails to adress even one. Instead, using apparent psychic powers again, he claims that Dan Dolejes just has a psychological problem because he is "macho", or perhaps it "just in the water" in Nelson.<br /><br />Both Dan and this blog deserve better responses to the arguments of traditionalists than these kinds of superficial, Ad Hominem driven responses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3915617830446943975.post-28919619847531454162013-03-26T13:10:55.495+13:002013-03-26T13:10:55.495+13:00I guess that, wherever you went in Nelson you woul...I guess that, wherever you went in Nelson you would find the same sorts of argument. must be something in the water. Personally, I think it is a cri-de-coeur from a macho-male. He doesn't want to be identified with any male who might actually love another male person.<br /><br />Reading today's Gospel,about Jesus at the table with his best friend John, leaning on his breast at supper. Now that would not do for Dan! How do macho males live with that sort of relationship, and in public, too?<br /><br />And as for that David and Jonathan affair (better than the love of women) - how come they even have bothered to mention that in the Bible? But there your are - It's God's Word, isn't it?<br /><br />It really is time some people grew up and accepted the fact that God made them male and female - and all sorts of people in between.Father Ron Smithhttp://kiwianglo.wordpress.com.noreply@blogger.com